I'm Just Sayin'…#43
by Greg Manuel on January 14, 2009

Apparently, this has been around at least since October. How is it I’m only seeing this now, and why does it tickle me so? You’d think I’d be a little more mature, since today I reach the Big 3-0. Ah, well – I still don’t look like an adult, so I guess I don’t necessarily have to act like one, hm?

But welcome comic book heads, to this week’s edition of…

I flipped through FANTASTIC FOUR #562 last week, and believe it or not, I’m going to give Mark Millar credit – with this latest effort, he actually managed to capture everything that has been so disappointing in his run thus far, in one single issue.

Y’see, the kind of ideas that Millar has been playing around with are indeed the kinds of things that I’d want to see in a Fantastic Four story. Incidentally, that’s also the problem: he’s just playing around with them. Specifically that by rushing through each concept he’s introduced, he’s not even squeezing half the dramatic potential out of any single one of them. Let’s take Valeria’s sudden intellectual leap, and the resultant change in Reed’s relationship with his two children. We jumped from 2-to-3 year oldValeria holding advanced conversation with Elder Sue a few issues back, to this:

So…that’s it? Reed’s thrilled and Franklin gets a weak punchline? Reed’s not going to be the teensiest bit curious as to how his daughter was able to make such a quantum leap in cognitive ability? Hadn’t he been down this road with  Franklin, before the ABRAXAS SAGA wiped out his psionic abilities? Didn’t Reed once have to make the agonizing choice to shut down Franklin’s brain, when his powers seemed to go out of control and threatened his very life? If Mr. Fantastic is ultimately going to be happy about Valeria’s sudden mental spurt, great – but how about showing us how he gets there?

How about Susan comes face to face with her own mortality – as well as, apparently, her potential longevity – and loss of moral compass.

This should be weird – even by the FF’s standards. But it’s made all the weirder by the way Millar’s portraying them. Susan’s not going to ask herself how it’s possible that she’d live to see what the world would be like some 500 years later? She wouldn’t be appalled on some level, to think of the sort of circumstances that would lead her to risk, even take her brother’s life to make a battery out of Galactus, all for some Hail Mary plan? I could see her doing that to Doctor Doom easily, but Johnny? Someone she loves both as a brother and a son? Shouldn’t we see her wrestling with this?

And then, there’s Johnny having been trapped and tortured by his own sister. Or worse: Johnny having been lured into a sex-baited trap, and then tortured, all of it orchestrated…by his own sister.

“Sure, we’re cool. You did what you had to do, Cindy.” Remarkably enlightened for the team hothead, wouldn’t you say?

This has to be the most disappointing of all, because even if you concede that Elder Sue was from merely a potential future…this was still someone who raised him, using his own weaknesses against him to lure him into a scenario that could’ve resulted in his very painful death. Not only could I see Johnny going through a serious bout of depression following this ordeal, resulting in a self-imposed sabbatical from dating (and if you wanna play up the celebrity angle, have the media relentlessly hounding the rest of the FF about the sudden disappearance of the team superstar), but there should be some serious conflict between him and his sister right now.

As a  matter of fact, this is how little sense the actions of the New Defenders make in the larger picture of this arc - especially if this is a team that has a Susan Richards on it. Nobody came to Johnny and said, “We need your help.” Nobody came to Reed and said, “We need your help.” Nobody came to Ben and said, “We need your help.” Nobody came to Sue and said, “We need your help.” This is the Fantastic Four – isn’t that all you’d necessarily have to do, with them? How did nobody think of that? If there’s anyone in the Marvel Universe that you can take the direct approach with, it’s these guys. But then, we wouldn’t have gotten to see Johnny hop into bed with a bank robber, or the manufactured mystery of the identity of the FantastiNanny, so I suppose you do what you have to, to make your story work the way you want it to work.

And finally, we have the Thing being the only person at the moment being anywhere NEAR a normal relationship. This has to be one of Millar’s cooler ideas - nobody getting all sappy about inner beauty and all that mess. A perfectly normal relationship for the most visually abnormal member of the team makes for a great dramatic contrast…

…but you mean to tell me, Mark, that you’re going to pass up on showing us the first meeting between Ben Grimm and Debs’ parents – a  scenario that, as far as I know, the Thing has never been in – and instead you’re just going to tell us it happened? You do realize this is a largely visual medium, right?

All of this is great stuff, and all of it thus far has been toyed with at best. For God’s sake, Millar – quit batting the mouse around and DIVE THE HELL IN!

And since when does Doctor Doom have a master? That just doesn’t seem right to me, you know?
 
 

If there has been one thing that has ever been integral to Victor Von Doom’s character, it is this: Doom will not concede that there is anyone above him. If Eternity itself were standing across from him, Doom would TOTALLY expect that sucker to bow before HIM! That’s what makes him DOOM! HE does HIS own work - he doesn’t sit in a cell going “nyah-nyah, Daddy’s gonna get yooooou!”

I just don’t get Mark Millar’s choices, I really don’t. Ah well – at least Bryan Hitch made Doom look extra good, I guess. Also, there’s the return of an old chestnut from the ’90s, for which we shall draw open the curtains of KNEE-JERK REACTION THEATRE, and present…

…the return of FANTASTIC FORCE! Well, in title, anyway - COMICSCONTINUUM.com reports an April premiere for this new comic by Joe Ahearne and Steve Kurth spinning out of FANTASTIC FOUR, that  will chronicle the ongoing adventures of a team of future heroes who didn’t have enough sense to know that when it comes to the Fantastic Four, if you want their help, all you gotta do is ask.

And MY KNEE-JERK REACTION: Baaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!

*wiping away tears* I’m sorry…I need a moment…

…okay.

I was interning at Marvel when the first FANTASTIC FORCE came out, and because of how typically…90′s that title was, I honestly never thought I’d see it used again. I mean, how is it that this book didn’t get a title all its own, to mark its place in the 21st Century…like DARK NEW DEFENDERS or something?

Nah. That would’ve just been dumb.

Now for a quick stop in DC Nation territory…last week, contained in the back pages of DC’s shipments there was the latest commentary piece from editor-in-chief Dan DiDio, that really caught my notice. I’m just going to let him do the talking – italics and images have been provided by me:

From the time I started working at DC, I had a plan – no, scratch that, a DESIRE to bring back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.

 

To me, they were the definitive Green Lantern and Flash, and they helped bring forth a generation of heroes. More important, they were the base from which all other ring-bearers and speedsters would come. Nothing against Kyle and Wally, but you can’t know who they are without knowing who Hal and Barry are first.”

This statement…bothered me. In fact, it was because this comment smacks of exactly the sort of attitude – I almost want to call it arrogance - that is prevalent in the people in charge of the Big Two right now, that led me to coin the writing mantra from last week: The writer is not the writer. The writer is the pen.

“The definitive Green Lantern and Flash”? Says who, Dan? YOU? Who are you to make that call, Dan? “Nothing against Kyle & Wally”…well, maybe there’s a lot of people who not only managed to accept, but really got to enjoy Wally West as the Flash for some twenty years – and Kyle Rayner as Green Lantern for some ten or so years. What about them? Maybe they like Wally and Kyle better in those main roles. You’re gonna tell them what – tough titties, they’re not the REAL Green Lantern or the REAL Flash? Marvel tried that with Ben Reilly ten years ago. How well did THAT work out?

And what about this guy?

Or this one?

I mean, they’re only Alan Scott and Jay Garrick – the FIRST Green Lantern and Flash, respectively. Don’t they count? I mean, besides being the real “base from which all other ring-bearers and speedsters would come,” that is. Do they figure into this in any fashion, or are they just dust in the wind? Let’s say this “Battle for the Cowl” leads to where it looks like it’s going to lead – and if you just read FINAL CRISIS #6, it sure looks like we’re going in this direction…

…and more than that, let’s say it STICKS. For SEVERAL DECADES. What would you say some forty years from now, were someone to decide to declare Dick Grayson as the definitive Batman? Would it occur to you at all sir, the irony of how ridiculous a statement it would be to say that Richard John Grayson is the base from which all other Caped Crusaders would come?

I can only shake my head at such ill-advised declarations, because they completely give away one’s true motivations. Dan DiDio was instrumental in bringing back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen not because they shouldn’t have been replaced, or because their replacements were somehow lacking. The reasoning that they were the “definitive” iterations of Green Lantern and the Flash is a total rationalization. No - Hal Jordan and Barry Allen are back  not because they were the “definitive” Green Lantern and Flash, they were Dan DiDio’s favorite Green Lantern and Flash, and he simply wanted them back. He found a kindred spirit in Geoff Johns, and here we are. That’s what you call putting story second, and that is not what you’re there to do, Dan.

It’s such a shame – stories like FINAL CRISIS, or even the SINESTRO CORPS WAR and the upcoming BLACKEST NIGHT could have gone a long way towards strengthening both Wally and Kyle as characters and as heroes worthy of their predecessors. Talk about a golden opportunity lost to the tandem shrine of Jordan and Allen. Ah well – I’d have a snappy wrap-up for this one, but…

…we’re a week away now, and I’m just too excited. :-)

Til Day One of President Barack Obama, I’m Greg Manuel and I’m just sayin’, is all…

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  • http://411mania.com Phil Watts, Jr.

    Both Marvel & DC have become two gigantic glass houses. Both companies are being run by fanboys pushing their favorite characters and the way things used to be…and if you don’t like it, THEY are the ones throwing rocks at YOU while calling YOU a “FANBOY!”

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  • http://comicsnexus.com/author/gmguity/ Greg Manuel

    Absolutely, Phil – I think I’d be a little less annoyed by some of these moves if both DC and Marvel would simply stop trying to tell me that bringing back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, making Superman’s backstory into some sort of Pre-COIE/Richard Donner hybrid, forcing Spider-Man to remain single, etc. etc. is for US, the readers.

    I had a great old time reading THE SINESTRO CORPS WAR but don’t try to tell me that it couldn’t have been every bit as good if Kyle Rayner were the lead character and not Hal Jordan. Dan DiDio and Geoff Johns could’ve even done it with an entirely new Lantern. They just didn’t want to. They wanted “their” Lantern, so here we are.

    Not everyone has been enjoying FINAL CRISIS, although I have very much. And if there were a better scenario for Barry Allen to return, I’d like to see it. But would we, the readers care if he stayed after this was all over? I honestly don’t think so. But once again, DiDio and Johns want “their” Flash back, so there you have it – THE FLASH: REBIRTH, coming soon!

    I’m just sayin’, why don’t you just go ahead and come clean? It’s your prerogative; you’re the ones telling the stories right now…I’d respect that. But making claims about “definitive” characters is just a false argument.

  • http://lysad.blogspot.com Manolis Vamvounis

    I dont agree about Hal/Kyle and Sinestro Corps War. Kyle is a very differrent type of character. he’s the rookie that never really grew uot of the ‘fresh fish’ stage, while Hal is all archetypal renegade leading man alpha male superhero. I never cared for GL before Hal was brought back. Hal is the hero, Kyle is the wet-behind-the-ears fun character, he’s not who u wanna trust to save ur bacon when the universe is in peril.

    Barry-Wally: I m not looking forward to Barry coming back. Wally grew into the role of the Flash in an amazing way, he completely overshadowed his predecessor. Wally is the Flash, while Barry just seems old now, ‘Uncle Barry’ , some relic from a previous heroic era with grandchildren and whatnot. not your leading man.

  • http://comicsnexus.com/author/gmguity/ Greg Manuel

    Maybe not as it was ultimately written Manolis, but that was mainly because Geoff Johns wanted to bring the battle between Hal Jordan and Sinestro into the 21st Century and have them as the lead players. As for Kyle’s experience, you do have a point; although Kyle had certainly gone through his paces in his ten years as “the Last of the Green Lanterns” – there was even a point in time when he went up against the Black Circle intergalactic crime syndicate headed by Amon Sur – but something big like the SINESTRO CORPS WAR could’ve been the Rick Rude to Kyle’s Dustin Rhodes.

    (Dustin Rhodes, in my opinion, didn’t truly become a singles contender and a star in WCW in his own right until his 1993/1994 United States Heavyweight Championship feud with “Ravishing” Rick Rude. Til then, he was merely Dusty Rhodes’ son, a wet-behind-the-ears rookie who was more or less Barry Windham’s sidekick.)

    But my larger point remains: Simply by point of fact that, when the Green Lantern and the Flash ushered in DC’s Silver Age with Hal Jordan and Barry Allen and not Alan Scott and Jay Garrick, then DC set the precedent that no given person must be the “official” Green Lantern or the Flash at any time – not in the same way that Superman will always be Clark Kent – thus rendering DiDio’s argument a completely subjective and even self-serving one.

  • Ryan Brandt

    Man, if you think Fantastic Force is looking bleak now, you have GOT to read some of the script that Joe Quesada leaked in one of his Cup of Joe blogs on Myspace.

    Here’s the link to the message board that I saw it and for everyone else, here’s the actual script posted here for easy access.

    Fantastic Force Issue 1

    “Shock of the Nu”

    Script By Joe Ahearne

    Revised 7th January 2008

    Page One

    1/ A devastated future Earth. Multiple rays of ultraviolet light with figures inside streak out into the sky and out of the panel.

    CAPTION : They traveled 500 years from the future to escape a dying Earth.

    2/ The rays land on the other side of the split panel in one of the recreated cities of Nu-World – contemporary Manhattan.

    CAPTION : This is Nu-World. A facsimile of present Earth.

    Designed for today’s elite.

    3/ The ultraviolet light fades to reveal a crowd of people looking around at Times Square, awed at their new surroundings.

    CAPTION : Now home to eight billion refugees.

    And the last six heroes in history.

    Page Two

    1/ Six superheroes float over the duplicate Manhattan, held there by Psionics.

    CAPTION : 500 years from now they were The New Defenders.

    Each floating figure has a separate name caption.

    CAPTION : The Hooded Man.

    CAPTION : Banner Jr.

    CAPTION : Lightwave.

    CAPTION : Psionics.

    CAPTION : Natalie X.

    CAPTION : Alex Ultron.

    2/ Close on Banner Jr. Tears in his eyes.

    BANNER JR: : Oh Sue. I wish you could see this.

    Page Three

    1/ Behind the New Defenders we see Sue Richards with Ben and Reed at the dimensional portal to Earth.

    SUE RICHARDS : She DID. It’s beautiful. Something to live for.
    Something worth
    DYING for.
    Ben has his hand on Sue’s shoulder.

    THE THING : Hey cut it OUT Suze.
    Just cause some FUTURE YOU died to
    get em here doesn’t have to mean YOU’RE gonna die.
    It’s just another one of them crazy alternate parallel situations RIGHT
    Reed?

    Reed’s looking at Sue, not the spectacular vista. Very determined.

    REED RICHARDS : Absolutely. Never going to happen.

    2/ Ben in the background as Psionics and Johnny kiss.

    THE THING : Gimme a BREAK Match head. She’s not CRYSTAL.
    Plus ya
    already SAID goodbye at the FUNERAL.
    If you can call NECKING at your own sister’s GRAVESIDE which let me tell ya hits a new LOW even fer –

    PSIONICS : Crystal? Sounds fragile.

    JOHNNY STORM : Anything BUT. She’d go ten ROUNDS with YOU.
    First girl I
    LOVED. We were split up by a DIMENSIONAL BARRIER.

    PSIONICS : Aw.
    She break your heart?

    3/ Psionics and Johnny part. He flames on.

    PSIONICS : You’ll have those NUMBERS when I visit right? I want to check
    out that SPIDER guy.

    JOHNNY STORM : I’ll give em to your OLD MAN.

    LIGHTWAVE : That would be APPRECIATED Johnny.

    4/ Close on Sue as they disappear through the dimensional portal back to Earth. Tears in her eyes as she turns back for one last look.
    Johnny flaming away ahead of her in the background.

    SUE RICHARDS : Hope you take care of YOUR planet better than WE did.

    5/ The Hooded Man, Lightwave, Psionics, Banner Jr.
    , Natalie X and Alex Ultron stand in front of the dimensional portal as the FF disappear in the energy surge.

    BANNER JR. : Count on it.

    Reed’s voice tiny and indistinct.

    REED RICHARDS : If you need help just holler.

    A figure runs towards them.

    ALYSSA MOY : WAIT! Stop them! Don’t let them GO!

    And there ya go. Don’t send hate-mail or anthrax my way.

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