I'm Just Sayin'…#48
by Greg Manuel on February 19, 2009

Heydi-hey, one and all – hope you had a fine three-day weekend; sorry I’m late again, whenever I find myself with a day off it throws me a little. But we’re back with our latest edition, and let’s see what there is to discuss…

Maybe it’s on my mind because I’m totally expecting Heath Ledger to get a posthumous Oscar for his portrayal of the Joker, but do you know who would’ve made a great Spirit?

That’s just been floating through my head a lot lately. Also, if there’s definitely going to be a third BATMAN movie, and the villain of choice is going to be the Riddler as everyone believes…I’d like to nominate this guy:

I mean, Christopher Nolan has been pretty consistent with casting Brits in the main roles, and for some reason I really want to see Simon Pegg in a green suit bedecked with question marks. Plus I must’ve watched HOT FUZZ some fifteen times over the holiday weekend and I may just be enraptured with this man’s sense of comedic timing. That and the phrase, “crusty jugglers.” Crusty jugglers…

I was recently contacted by Liz Davis of COMICBOOKS.com - how’d that domain not get snatched up? – and being a site that collects comic book and comic book-related news from all over the web, we at the Nexus have gotten more than a few nods. So I wanted to return the favor and point y’all their way, if you didn’t know of them already. It was the least I could do; after all, thanks to them I found this:

That’s some gentle comedy, right there. :)

NEWSARAMA.com has the May 2009 solicits available for the Big Two this week, and reading the ones for Marvel set off an interesting chain reaction of memories for me. Specifically…

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #593:
Written by MARK WAID  Penciled by MIKE MCKONE  Cover by JOE QUESADA
Part Two of “24/7″!
Reeling from the discovery he made last issue — one that will have a huge impact on the Spider-Universe in the coming months — Peter Parker withdraws even further into his Spidey identity just in time to come face-to-face (or web-to-wing) with the all-new Vulture!

I swear to you, I was not actively searching for something new to criticize about THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN* this week. Really, I wasn’t. And yet, it never fails…it’s when you’re not looking for something, when it falls right into your lap. Case in point:

I’m telling you, it never fails.

But seeing that solicit in particular reminded me of the 1993-1995 period at Marvel Comics as a whole. If you were to describe the general atmosphere of the Marvel Universe at that time in one word, “bleak” would cover it pretty well. It was a period when every main character and/or team were dealing with some sort of crisis. Over in THE FANTASTIC FOUR, both Reed Richards and Doctor Doom were believed dead, and Ben Grimm had suffered supposedly irreparable facial injuries after a fight with Wolverine.

There was an overarcing storyline that threatened the pending demise of the remaining members of the team called “Nobody Gets Out Alive.”

Meanwhile, over in DAREDEVIL, Matt Murdock’s secret identity was leaked to a tabloid, so following a storyarc called “Fall From Grace” Matt faked his own death (they never did adequately explain just how Matt Murdock supposedly died, mind you), ditched the sunglasses and took on a new identity as a neighborhood con man named Jack Batlin. He then began posing as an entirely different Daredevil, now sporting this look:

In retrospect, it seems like it would've made more sense for him to KEEP the red suit after having just created a new civilian identity, thus creating further evidence that Matt Murdock and Daredevil were two different men...but whatever.

And this was all happening around the same period when Tony Stark was dealing with all the evils his company absorbed when he bought out Stane International over in the IRON MAN storyarc “Crash & Burn,” and over in CAPTAIN AMERICA, the Super Soldier Serum had begun to have a reverse effect on Steve Rogers’ body, destroying his motor functions and forcing him to seek out his successor while having to resort to an exoskeleton just to be able to move. This was editor/writer/fondly remembered Marvel institution Mark Gruenwald’s final storyarc on the character, called “Fighting Chance.”

Which now brings us to my point about Spider-Man during that period, because his life at this point was no different – the storyline I’m talking about, as it turns out, was just the lead-in to the Clone Saga, and as such it was also the wrap-up to the mystery that had been running through the title for the past year or so: the return of Peter Parker’s parents. This was “Lifetheft,” which led into “Pursuit.”

Courtesy of Wikipedia: The Vulture once stumbled across a plot by the Chameleon and the Green Goblin [Harry Osborn] to drive Spider-Man insane by having shapeshifting androids impersonate his late mother and father. Due to Toomes’ interference, the androids were destroyed, leading the wall-crawler to a brief nervous breakdown. The Vulture absorbed the artificial life force from the Mary Parker android, and the effect on the Vulture was twofold; not only did he become a young man again, but he was instantly cured of the cancer that had been slowly killing him for some time.

See what I’m getting at? Let’s compare to the May 2009 solicit – and remember, the text I’m using is for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #593. In 2009. Y’ready? Here we go:

Reeling from the discovery he made last issue — one that will have a huge impact on the Spider-Universe in the coming months…

Peter Parker withdraws even further into his Spidey identity…

… just in time to come face-to-face (or web-to-wing) with the all-new Vulture!

Mark Waid – the guy most closely associated with adding such layer and nuance to Wally West and the Rogues over in THE FLASH, the guy who gave us our last ”definitive” run on THE FANTASTIC FOUR, the guy who wrote the kick-ass JLA story “Tower of Babel,” where Ra’s al Ghul stole protocols for taking down the Justice League from Batman’s computer, the guy who turned CAPTAIN AMERICA into a political thriller a good ten years before Ed Brubaker…writing a Spider-Man story with a blatantly recycled premise. Why does that sound so wrong?

But then again, should I be surprised? I mean, that’s all BRAND NEW DAY is when you think about it – let’s not kid ourselves, “brain trust” - and we already know how enthusiastic Mark is about the new/old/new Spider-quo. But really, is anybody else catching some wicked deja-vu right now?

Hm. Must be contagious. By the way, I say this on the highly unlikely possibility that anybody from the New York Post happens to be reading…y’see the cartoon above? Okay. Take careful note: this is satire. THIS IS NOT.

AND NOW, JUST CUZ I FEEL LIKE IT…

…actually, that’s not entirely accurate; I couldn’t have resisted sharing this one if I tried.

Til next week everybody – I’m Greg Manuel and I’m just sayin’, is all…


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  • http://lysad.blogspot.com Manolis Vamvounis

    wow, you’ve really hit your stride this week!!

    but still, BND = good!! just cos the vulture comes back and the solicit is as dire as comics were in the 90s doesn’t mean much… and its hardly recycling a storyline is it :p

  • Blarny

    I normally enjoy your column, but its interesting how you seem to feel “satire” that compares the author(s) of the ill-advised stimulus package (Congress) to a chimp, but misinterpreted by close-minded reactionaries & finger-pointers as representing Obama, isn’t “funny” but a strip promoting homophobia is.

  • Ryan Brandt

    Manolis,

    What makes it so irritating is that we’ve been told time and time again by Quesada that OMD had to happen because you could tell more interesting types of stories with a single Spider-Man, rather than a married one.

    So what are we getting?

    A story where Peter delves into being Spider-Man 24/7 and his life is radically changed and then a new Vulture pops up.

    Sure, this new iteration by Waid and Co might not be featuring robotic parents, but unless the ‘new’ Vulture is as old as Adrian Toomes and is wearing the same costume, it’s plot-wise extremely similar to the 90′s storyline.

    And, again I must stress, it’s coming from a company that kept screeching “If you’d just let us undo the marriage we could do really cool stuff you haven’t seen before because MJ prohibited it!”…

    And I’m still waiting for that to happen, because nothing has been told that MJ couldn’t have been a part of or made it better.

  • Ryan Brandt

    Oh, and since I forgot, you’ve got another recommendation for Simon Pegg for the Riddler. He’s got both the sad pathetic loser look to him, as well as the superior egotist look. Because while I couldn’t make it through MI:3 on my own, he showed his superior tech geek side there and I think he could bring a sublime and yet creepy substance to the Riddler.

    And Bruce would’ve made a great Spirit 10 to 20 years ago… although if Brad Bird’s Spirit animated film could get resurrected (it only got stopped in the 90′s due to Eisner wanting a live-action flick), I’d kill to see Bruce voice the character.

  • Greg Manuel

    Oh hey – we missed one, Ryan. We almost forgot the plotline that’s been building on the slow cooker ever since NO GOOD REASON started. If it were a Friends episode, we’d call it The One Where Spider-Man’s Accused of Murder…Again. If we were to really take a fresh approach to that one, we’d see Spider-Man reacting to the so-called “Spider Tracer Killer” with a heavy dose of ennui instead of the ol’ stand-by Parker Hand-Wringing that lazy writers love to resort to. “Blah-de-blah, My life’s so hard, Blah-de-blah, why must I have these powers, blah-de-blah, I sure do love wheatcakes.”

    It’s such a shame that Bruce’s path and The Spirit’s never crossed just a few years ago. Watching him as “Smitty” in THE HUDSUCKER PROXY was what clicked it for me. The urban blue-collar demeanor, the smirk, the snark…that fedora. He would have been perfect. Perfect, I say!

    And furthermore…when was Brad Bird planning an animated version of The Spirit? Manolis, I think you need to talk to Ryan about a column of his own. Dude constantly has scoops!

  • Ryan Brandt

    Ah, yes, the “Framed For Something I Didn’t Do” storyline. Seriously, I’d love to pick Quesada’s brain as to how this and every other story was just too hard to do with Peter married…

    And finally, someone else who recognizes the greatness of Bruce’s character in “Hudsucker Proxy”. I’m still surprised that Bruce hasn’t become a regular fixture in the Coen Brother’s films.

    As for Brad Bird’s adaption, it was sometime in the mid-90′s (around when he was doing or after he did Iron Giant) and he was really pushing Eisner to let him do it. God bless Will, he just wanted to see it done in live-action, but I think if he had lived to see what Frank Miller ended up doing (or somehow had foreseen the future of what the Spirit film would end up being), he would’ve called Bird up and greenlit the sucker in an instant.

    Column? Me? Nah… you’d probably get an infrequent, incoherent page of fanboy rambling rather than anything looking like reasoned thought, LOL

  • http://lysad.blogspot.com Manolis Vamvounis

    i think the spider-tracer killings have just taken a VERY interesting turn, and then another, considering who was revealed as the culprit(s)! also, i totally dug the reveal of Menace’s identity, and how well the new supporting characters and villains are fitting into the family…

    and no, i’m not really missing MJ, not the ay she was written the past years anyway… dull dull dull (with the exceptio of the amazing annual by Fraction last year). i do dig peter struggling to make ends meet again, having to hide from his flatmate, having romantic tension with 2 or 3 of his SUPPORTING CAST, and so on… you all know that MJ is gonna come back within the year and their relationship will be restored by 2010, and it will be stronger and more interesting for the hiatus…

  • http://comicsnexus.com/author/gmguity/ Greg Manuel

    Blarny: “I normally enjoy your column, but its interesting how you seem to feel “satire” that compares the author(s) of the ill-advised stimulus package (Congress) to a chimp, but misinterpreted by close-minded reactionaries & finger-pointers as representing Obama, isn’t “funny” but a strip promoting homophobia is.”

    Blarny, I wanna say off the bat that I’m glad you’re reading my column, and I hope you’ll keep reading. I’m also glad that if you saw that political cartoon and thought the chimp represented Congress, extra points to you. I’d like to take that to mean you’re not a racist, so you know what? I think I will! :)

    However, it’s still not funny, and I’ll tell you why. But first, we’re going to eliminate some factors. Let’s leave aside the fact that it unnecessarily depicts graphic violence. We all know that there’s plenty of ways to draw a cartoon of something that’s just been shot without resorting to bullet holes and a pool of blood. decades of Bugs Bunny and Pink Panther cartoons make that point abundantly clear. X’s for eyes, soot and wafting smoke would have been enough.

    Let’s leave aside the fact that most jokes, almost by design, have an offensive quality to them. Something or somebody’s going to get mocked, as in the case of the Street Fighter IV cartoon from CTRLALTDEL-ONLINE.com above. I notice you skipped over the stereotypes of femininity (Chun-Li’s big, veiny legs) and the dangers of the illicit sex industry. (“If we take more than ten minutes, my pimp gets rough with me.”)To say nothing of street fighting. If you were to suggest that I’m somehow okay with homophobia, I could easily suggest that you’re okay with sexism, illegal bloodsports or the beating of prostitutes. It’s best we just skip that.

    But…if you want another reason why that New York Post cartoon isn’t funny, here’s one: because it’s a shittily constructed joke.

    Most properly constructed jokes have three elements that make them funny:

    1. A shared cultural experience for the audience to reference.
    2. An unspoken element for the audience to insert themselves, that they may get the joke.
    3. A sharp left turn in the delivery, to signal the audience to look for the unspoken element, that they may get the joke. The more exaggerrated, the better.

    These three elements can be found in just about any joke you can think of, and the audience picks up on it at a very pure, unconscious level. That’s why they laugh when it’s funny, or don’t react if it’s not.

    Now, the Street Fighter IV meets all the requirements for it’s video gamer audience. Shared cultural experience: The Street Fighter Univese – specifically, the Ryu/Ken mirror-image relationship. CHECK!

    Unspoken element: What if Ken were a real person, aware of the fact that he fights exactly like Ryu? How would he feel about that? He doesn’t like it. It bothers him. CHECK!

    Sharp left turn: Not only does it bother him, but he’s willing to go so far as to dress like a woman and live a life of prostitution, to set himself apart from Ryu. CHECK!

    Now, the New York Post fails, because the unspoken element, if we give this newspaper the benefit of the doubt, is severely lacking. Shared cultural experience: the recent news of the stimulus bill and the chimp attack. Okay. Fine. The sharp left turn: the alternate reason for shooting the chimp is because he wrote the stimulus bill. Fine. So who’s the chimp? See the problem?

    If the chimp is supposed to be Congress, then why didn’t the cartoonist write “Congress” on the chimp’s body? Political cartoonists do that all the time, and why do they do that? Because they want you to get the joke, right?

    Why not make it bigger, so that it becomes a symbol of an entire legislative body. That would’ve steered the reader in the direction that the cartoonist wanted, and why would he have wanted to do that? Because he wants you to get the joke, right?

    But he didn’t do that, did he? The chimp doesn’t have “Congress” written on it, and it’s the relative size of an actual chimp. What does the reader say to him/herself? It must represent an individual.

    So who’s left that’s most closely associated to the passing of the stimulus bill? Who’s been going on TV, basically on tour to promote this bill? President Barack Obama. The first black president of our country.

    Now…why would someone think that this cartoon were meant to portray Barack Obama? Because (A)he’s the individual whose face is attached to the stimulus bill, and (B) because it is a centuries-old notion, especially among racists, to associate black people with primates, let alone use it for the basis of a joke. If you don’t believe me, check this out – http://www.alternet.org/rights/127835/ny_post%27s_racist_ape_cartoon_is_no_small_matter/?page=entire

    Now…if you know anything about the New York Post, you’d know it’s entirely possible that it’s just a shittily constructed joke and nothing more. It’s a shitty newspaper, cover to cover. I’ve once said onstage that finding journalistic gold in the New York Post is about as common as seeing a Hassid in a Speedo. Look at that! Racial joke! I’ve also said, once again in reference to the New York Post, that if you did in fact put a hundred monkeys in a room with a hundred typewriters, guess what? You won’t get Shakespeare. Boom! Monkey joke!

    But seriously, folks…you can’t be surprised that people reacted the way they did. And it’s not their fault that they reacted that way, either. Either the cartoonist is a sub-standard humorist who doesn’t deserve to be in print, or he used a convention that is commmonly viewed as racist, and is trying to get away with it using the myth that racism in this country is dead.

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