Who's Who in the DCU

Dude, I’ve got to begin the column by raving about Batman Begins. I was completely slain. I’m a critical person by nature, so I’m pretty hard to please, but this film was everything I’ve ever wanted from a Batman flick.

It was perfect, and I think it could possibly be the best super hero movie I’ve scene. It melded the important aspects of the character yet made translations for the large screen that didn’t feel forced or too “extra.” As a comic fan it was nice to see where the creators drew their inspiration from.

Every actor played their part perfectly. Everyone was believable and true to the character. I was really in awe at how pleased I was with the performances. I really enjoyed the Bruce/Alfred relationship. It provided just the right amount of humor. I do think that Bale captured the Bruce/Batman dichotomy better than any actor I’ve seen. I also liked how the budget was spent on talented people as opposed to names and special effects. I even dug the new Batmobile.

So basically; if you haven’t seen Batman Begins you need to get on the ball and check it out. You won’t be disappointed.

Tim, I know you’ve already shared your thoughts on the film in DC News & Views (and I agree with you about the fight editing, but I think that the opening sequence isn’t overly long, because it allows views to get acquainted with Bruce Wayne who they don’t really known. I just seems overly long because we all know Batman and are anticipating him, but if it were a new property it wouldn’t seem too long) is there anything else you want to get off your chest about the movie?

As you mentioned, I am of a different mind than you about the first hour. I actually have an opposite opinion of it, that we (as in comic fans) have a deeper appreciation and interest in the first hour than your average filmgoer does. They are there to see Batman and, if they remember the recent series of films, some cool villains. I’m glad Nolan went the extra mile to give us a Bruce Wayne, as well as a Batman, but I maintain that to the average moviegoer the opening was a bit long.

Otherwise, as I said in my review, I think it was great. I don’t compare it to the first Burton/Keaton Batman film out of respect, but I think that it is easily the best foray into Gotham City since.


Parallax2814 has the spins

I was wondering about the origin of The Top. It was touched on during Identity Crisis, but I was hoping you could give me a more detailed description. Thanks.

The Top was your run of the mill boring Silver Age character. Y’see back then every crook had a gimmick. The Riddler had his riddles, Captain Boomerang had his boomerangs and Clock King had his, well, we covered him last week.

So Roscoe Dillon, who was a petty thug at the time, really wanted to make it to the big leagues of crime. But in order to do that he needed what? That’s right folks, he needed a gimmick. Since, as a child, he was enamored with tops he chose them as his gimmick.

Thus The Top was born. He had top themes in his crimes, he even used actual tops as part of his crimes. Somehow, despite how lame he sounds now, he was accepted into the Rogues (because apparently back then all you needed was a gimmick and a Central City zip code). He even began shagging the Golden Glider.

For some strange reason the years of spinning didn’t leave Dillon in a constant state of dizziness, but rather bestowed him with mind over matter powers. Then he died and became a much cooler character.

Tim, how do you like your Top; gimmicky or spinning beyond the grave?

Man, it is no contest. I’ll take Top as possessor of bodies, Top as political candidate, Top as fragmented madman, or Top as dangerous clear thinking alterer of minds over his gimmicky Silver Age incarnation any day of the week.

And yes, yes the Top has been all of those things I listed.


Did Chaos just call the President a hick? Well, sort of

Ruin, can u please explain to me when Pete Ross became all smart and science man like – isn’t he the dumb country hick with a knack for politics? I always assumed Ruin was Dr. Hamilton, or Luther working through Dr. Hamilton, not that Pete isn’t a cool creepy choice – but, wha tha

C’mon man; you can’t ask questions about a story in progress and expect a decent answer. Ruin was just unmasked two issues ago, things have yet to be played out, all the cards haven’t be dealt, every player isn’t on the field, um, that’s it I can’t think of any more.

Aww… and just when you were doing so well.

However in an effort to provide some more information, Pete claims he’s innocent. He’s got no knowledge of being Ruin or any of the people that Ruin encountered. So maybe he’s telling the truth. But then again he also admits that Lex told him about the Superman/Clark Kent connection. So maybe he’s lying.

But Hamilton also appeared in the issue, so maybe Pete’s telling the truth. But it appears that Pete broke out, so maybe he’s lying.

Clearly Lex plays into the entire affair. There’s the idea that Lex did some type of post hypnotic suggestion type thing like he did with Superboy. Perhaps that’s how the Ruin in Pete is triggered.

There’s also the idea that Lex put the same whammy on Pete that he put on Amanda Waller. I don’t want to get too graphic, but I think that Lex is just bitter enough at Superman to “have some fun” with his childhood friend. I’m just saying…

Tim, do you think that Pete is Ruin?

First off, I am actually MORE comfortable with the idea of Lex kissing on Pete than I am with him kissing on Amanda Waller. I am, not for nothing, but that Pete is a handsome fella. Only thing wrong with him is that he doesn’t speak in jive like his Smallville counterpart used to every now and again.

Well, that and the fact that he very well might be Ruin.

Personally, I like the idea of it, but I don’t think it has been explained enough by Rucka for me to accept it…yet. The revelation that Pete now knows Clark is Superman is enough to make Ross miffed, perhaps, but murderous? Probably not. So, based on evidence at the moment, if I was forced to make the call, I don’t think making Ross Ruin is a great idea.

However, it is pretty clear that we don’t have all the evidence on Ruin or Pete, for that matter. And since I am not forced to make the call right now, I won’t. I’ll just say that I am optimistic that whoever Ruin turns out to be, Mr. President or not, I think Rucka will craft a fine story and justify the decision quite nicely.


Chaos has some Demonic inquiries

I just read the prelude thing, did you read that? It basically states in print a complete change in continuity, snap, like that… It says in the editorial part that Talia killed her dad and is now putting her plans in motion… so that’s not a question, except for… isn’t that a complete and utter reversal of what happened in Death and The Maidens?

First off, I didn’t read that thing. I love DC, but that seemed like a bit of a cash grab. Granted I don’t know how everything is going to turn out, but I do know that I’ve got all of the issues included in that trade, I’ve scanned them for anything significant and come up with zilch. Superman Secret Files may have provided the first inkling that there was a vast conspiracy in the DCU, but that’s about it. I mean as far as I can see.

I’ve got to disagree there. I’m not sure it is worth anyone’s cash, but on a quick flip through, the moments DC chooses do relate to the coming Crisis. And certainly do more so than, say, this month’s Nightwing.

And as a guy who read Death and the Maidens, I agree with you. But I think that DC is just being coy and not playing the Nyssa card too early, because it might spoil a revelation or two in one of the current miniseries. It’d kind of be like DC issuing a editorial during Identity Crisis saying; “but y’know Jean Loring isn’t the most mentally stable person in the DCU and she is getting more attention from Ray Palmer.”

Tim, is DC oversimplifying or just playing coy?

With the intricate role Rucka (he wrote Death and the Maidens) is playing in Crisis and the recent tightening of the DCU continuity (as in between every book, not as in getting it to jive with the past), it is hard to believe that the ball was dropped on this and an error made. Thus, my assumption would be coy. The fact that Scandal dropped the “beloved” bomb in Villains United a few weeks back would seem to indicate that she very well may be Nyssa. She may not be either, but by not drilling Death home, DC lets the issue hang there, unanswered, until they get around to it. It’s just a bit of misdirection to add intrigue, I suspect.


Chaos races to conclusions

Wasn’t there a villainous female flash in Barry’s time that could hypothetically be the new Captain Boomerang’s mother (I know I they’re going for Boomer raping some girl while in Barry’s body or some thing), but I swear I remember such a thing…

I think that you’re thinking of Christina Alexandrova, A.K.A. Ivana Christina Molotova A.K.A. Lady Flash A.K.A. Lady Savage A.K.A. Lady Kobra. She was originally a member of Blue Trinity who first appeared in Flash #7 from 1987.

She’s an odd one that’s for sure. She seems to need a strong male figure in her life to guide her and give her purpose (Vandal Savage, Kobra) and then devotes herself entirely to them. She’s also the only member of either Trinities, Blue or Red, that still pops up in The Flash from time to time.

However I don’t think she fits as Boomer’s baby’s mother, unless you are going with the Bart Allen theory of hyper-metabolism.

Tim, any guesses on the identity of Boomer’s baby’s mother?

Beyond saying outright that it is not Lady Flash, etc: she’s too young, practically the same age as Captain Boomerang Jr, DC’s not going to pull a Marvel and have Jr. age at an accelerated rate because of super powered parentage (see Osborn, Norman), and, finally, she’s way too obscure for that sort of revelation to be this “hidden” (remember, Digger is all freaked out about having anyone know who Jr’s real mom is) or have any sort of impact when revealed.

I could be wrong on that, but to quote the Bob’s Furniture guy, I doubt it.

So who does that leave?

Well, I’ll be damned if I know. I’m much better at eliminating suspects than finding them.


After a question about baby momma’s, George returns us to the moral straightaway

If Captain Marvel has the wisdom of Solomon, why isn’t he the moral center of the DC Universe, or at least the leader of any number of superhero teams? Also does the rest of the Marvel clan also have the Solomon’s wisdom? And does Black Adam also have the wisdom? I mean what the hell’s with superheroes (or supervillains) not using their brains, even if they don’t have too?

Well to answer the question about Cap’s low profile, it’s because he doesn’t really have the wisdom of Solomon, he’s got Solomon whispering in his ear. He’s got the wisdom of Solomon…at his disposal. He can choose to ignore it or choose to follow it, but it’s his choice.

He’s also still a kid and while Cap will charge into battle, he does have split seconds of indecision, while he’s getting that advice from Solomon. It may only be a split second, I think it’s noticeable to his teammates.

He’s also written as a team player and not a leader. He follows Shazam’s orders in Day of Vengeance, he followed Mr. Terrific’s orders in JSA. He’s very much just a kid in the body of an powered adult, he defers to almost everyone older than him.

The rest of the Marvel Clan do have the wisdom of Solomon, but again it’s more like advice whispered in their ear as opposed to an instant leap in IQ or reasoning.

As for Black Adam he’s got; the stamina of Shu, the swiftness of Heru, the strength of Amon, the wisdom of Zehuti the power of Aton, and the courage of Mehen. He just chooses to follow his own beat and do his own thing.

Tim, do you have a different idea on how the wisdom of Solomon works?

Nah, that’s about right. Mary Marvel says basically the same thing in #2 of Day of Vengeance when she says something to the effect that Billy should always pay heed to the advice the voices in his life give him.

Besides which, wisdom is kind of a nebulous term. Does it mean always doing the right thing? Is it just another way of saying knowledge gained from experience? In any case, it is hardly absolute.

I’ll throw one more explanation to you as far as why the Big Red Cheese is not a higher profile character leading this team and that. Popularity. I know that isn’t a reason within the DCU, but it sure is a reason here on terra firma. The fact is Superman has a very similar role to Captain Marvel (both are moral, both are inspirational to many, viewed as incorruptible, etc) and he is far and away a more popular and well recognized character. That’s not to say that Captain Marvel doesn’t have his fans. Realistically though, he just doesn’t compete with DC’s big guns.

Finally, I would draw your attention to Underworld Unleashed. If you want to see Captain Marvel as DC’s most moral character, this is the mini for you.


Everything JohnBritton needed to know about sharing, he learned in kindergarten.

How many people (or rabbits) does Captain Marvel share the Shazam powers with these days

Currently Captain Marvel shares with Mary Marvel, CM3 (Captain Marvel Jr) and I guess Black Adam. There’s also the chance in the far future Beck will get the Shazam powers. Uncle Dudley did have powers for a very brief period of time.

However, as you alluded to, in the pre Crisis DC, Captain Marvel had quite a few contemporaries. Along with Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Mary Marvel, Dudley had actual “Marvel” Powers. There were also the Lieutenants Marvel; Tall Billy Batson, Fat Billy Batson and Hill Billy Batson, who were powered. Last but not least was Hoppy the Marvel Bunny.

Beppo could totally kick Hoppy’s teeth in.

Thankfully those sillier concepts are relegated to pre Crisis.


Stone King has an interest in those that take the law into their own hands with generic monikers

I hear that there is a new Vigilante series coming out, but it’ll be a different Vigilante. What’s the deal with the previous ones. I am interested in the Wolfman one in particular but there was a cowboy one and a woman as well, right? Who are they and where are they now?

Dude, there have been quite a few Vigilantes.

Vigilante – Gregory Saunders was the original. He was born in Wyoming, but left to pursue show business. When his father, a sheriff, was killed Greg did the only thing a man can do in these situations: he went back to avenge his father. Then, much like Rudy G, he vowed to clean up NYC. He hooked up with Billy Gunn and began fighting crime. He was a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory, along with his sidekick Stuff.

After being tossed through time, spending several years in the Old West, he was returned to the present. He’s financially stable due to wise investments. He was a supporting character in the old series El Diablo.

(If you should happen to desire a great Greg Saunders story, you should check out the Vigilante miniseries written by James Robinson for Vertigo. It’s a very poignant piece.)

Vigilante II – Adrian Chase was a tortured soul. He was born privileged, but rejected the affluence to make the world a better place. Sadly his work as a D.A. made him some pretty powerful enemies. One such antagonist, mob boss Anthony Scarapelli tried to kill Chase, but instead killed Chase’s wife and two kids.

The (New) Teen Titans knew that Scarapelli was responsible for the attack and Robin began harassing the mob boss. Scarapelli got some help from a guy you might have heard of; The Monitor, who provided him with some super powered back up. They clashed with the Titans. But a mysterious figure killed two of the super powered hired muscle.

The heat was getting too much for Scarapelli so he decided to leave the country. Robin and a new Vigilante showed up in time to prevent his leaving. Robin discovered Vigilante was Adrian Chase, Chase got his revenge on Scarapelli. Robin kept quite about the whole affair.

Chase went on a successful career as a, um, vigilante. He killed those who escaped his justice during the day, when he was a District Attorney (deja vu). (And by déjà vu, he means, doesn’t that sound a lot like Red Bee? Oh…and Manhunter, too.) But when he became a judge he gave up the Vigilante business.

Vigilante III – Alan Welles was Chase’s friend who happened to witness Chase giving up the Vigilante business. Welles didn’t know if that was the right thing do and decided to keep Vigilante alive. He had a short career as Vigilante, which was ended by Chase, who was surprised to discover his friend had picked up the mantel. But Chase still decided to keep Vigilante retired.

Vigilante IV – Dave Winston was a bailiff who happened to witnessed Chase’s surprise at discovering his friend had picked up the mantel of Vigilante. While Chase decided to keep Vigilante retired, Winston thought it was a good idea to resurrect the character. He also had a short career as Vigilante.

Vigilante II (again) – Adrian Chase finally decided to return to the Vigilante gig, but it only caused him more pain. He began to hate what be had become, which was little better than what he was protecting society from. He ended up ending his own life.

(Man, what a downer.)

Vigilante V – Patricia Trayce was a Gotham cop. She married a fellow cop who was shortly killed on the job. Then Pat’s partner was killed. She was pretty shaken up by both deaths, and the fact that her partner left his orphaned kid in Pat’s care didn’t help much.

When the guy who killed her partner was given witness protection for testifying in a federal case, Pat became enraged. Deathstroke got involved and kidnapped the killer. Pat ran into an old acquaintance (snitch) of Adrian Chase’s, who also happened to know where Deathstroke was. He also kept one of Adrian’s old costumes, and gave it to Pat. Yadda Yadda Yadda; Pat was trained by Deathstroke and became the new Vigilante. Oh yeah, Slade and Pat hooked up.

She’s still around. She’s part of Vigilance, Inc, which is caring on the Vigilante tradition in a kinder, gentler and less confrontational way.

Vigilante VI – Adeline Wilson is part of the legacy because Vigilance Inc is actually what used to be known as Searchers, Inc, a kind of global detective agency. Adeline is down for the cause.

Y’know, way back with the new Vigilante miniseries was announced, like two years ago, I was excited. And when I heard it was back on, I got even more excited. And even when I was typing the Adrian Chase era of Vigilante, I was still looking forward to the miniseries. But all that stuff about Pat and Adeline has really turned me off the concept. Ugh, I don’t know if that tarnish will ever come off the Vigilante Legacy.

Tim, care to share your thoughts on any Vigilante or the legacy as a whole?

Funny thing about Vigilante. About a week or so ago, I was just rooting around the back issue bins as us comic folk are often wont to do, and found a bunch of issues of the Wolfman series for sale. I debated getting them or not and, ultimately, voted no. But, I guarantee they are still there. So…should I go back and get them?

As far as the legacy, I don’t worry too much about it. For one, I thought there was only 3 Vigilantes (Cowboy guy, Adrian, Blond Woman) so the half dozen is a bit of a surprise. However, I think you should judge a property but whether or not viable stories can and have been told about them, not about how bad they got. That’s why I still like Spider-Man despite the clone saga, Batman despite War Games, the Avengers despite the Crossing, Green Lantern despite that issue where the cover said, “First down…and HELL to go!”, etc. So yes, Vigilante had seen better days when the concept was mothballed. But the fact that better days do exist gives me hope that they can exist again.


Neil loves to play in the swamp

Re-reading my “Infernal Devices” TPB, I had a few questions: Alan mentions another “Creature of the Plants,” who he describes as “A First World War German Flier who also died and reemerged in the 1940’s. Who is this character?

I’ve got to think that this character is none other than Swamp Thing. This is a reference to Swamp Thing #83, which is during the arc where Swampy is traveling through time. In this issue he goes back to WWI, bonds with a fallen German Pilot and encounters Enemy Ace.

It’s a great story arc, if only to see Swampy encounter various aspects of the DCU’s history.

Tim, how’s life after college?

Yup, you are probably right Mathan. I mean who else wo—wait, what did you ask me?

Umm, life after college is…well, technically this is still life during college for me as I do have one more degree to collect before everyone has to call me Doctor Stevens (and DAMMIT!, they will) and I get to say things like “And how does that make you feel?” for ungodly sums of money. But the undergrad part (the fun part) is done and that’s sort of sad. I don’t miss it in the “life will never be that good” sort of way because it is still close enough that I can remember that life in college wasn’t always so good (administrators being unhelpful, carrying bleeding girls to the infirmary to make sure they don’t die, having my roommate hook up like mad and then being the one to console the lady when she catches on that it was nothing serious, etc). However, I do miss being three seconds from a ton of friends. The sense of community that I had at Connecticut College was wholly absent from UCONN and that stunk. Plus, college spun my life in a whole different direction. I mean, I wouldn’t be here working for the site if it wasn’t for the fact that Ben and I became friends while he was News Editor and I was Editor in Chief of the newspaper.

Of course, life post undergrad is pretty excellent. I still have all those friends, even if they are farther away these days. I get to write about comics a lot which is great. I am in a wonderful relationship. I have a job that does not wholly suck and pays me enough money that I pay for the education to get me the job I really want.

So life after college is good. I miss the social aspect of college, but not really college itself.

(God…I took entirely too many lines for that response. Sad.)


Neil

Batman is a total jerk to Alan [Scott], but now Batman’s being written as having admired Alan in his youth. Was Jeph Loeb the first one to insert this admiration or was Batman just being a jerk?

Neil, would you like to have Bats act all fanboy like I was when I met George Perez? Let me just explain that it wasn’t a pretty sight at all. In fact it was darn shameful.

Truly, it was. I seem to recall drooling, babbling (as if speaking in tongues), and a fainting episode.

Bats can’t fawn all over Alan, it would cost him major cool points in the super hero community. Bats is nonplused about everything. “Oh, you can shoot lasers from your eyes? I’ve got this nifty green rock, now what, punk?” Batman is supposed to be off-putting.

I think that it should also be mentioned that the Alan that Batman is responding to isn’t “Alan Scott: The Original Green Lantern” it’s “Alan Scott; the Newly Youthified Sentinel” which I think could have played a part in how Bats treats him.

But; yes, I’m pretty sure that Loeb was the first to incorporate an aspect of admiration for Alan Scott into Bruce’s character. But it makes sense. Bruce is a son of Gotham, and Alan Scott is Gotham’s brightest star.

Tim, I know you’ve got a different take on the Bruce/Alan dynamic.

I’m just impressed that you enacted “superhero cool points”. Thus, I accept your explanation.


Sly Reference is looking for a Hall family tree

And is there a reason Hawk (Hank Hall) and Hawkman (Carter Hall) share the same last name? I’ve heard they’re not related, but was there ever a connection attempted or made?

They kind of are related, kind of.

Ok, ok I can do this. I just need to take a deep breath. The common thread is Hector Hall. Carter “Hawkman” Hall and Shiera “Hawkgirl” Hall had a son, Hector Hall. Poor little Hector wanted to be a hero but had no powers. So he built a solar powered suit using “nth metal”, which among other things can be used to fly because of it antigravity properties. In this suit he made is superhero debut as Silver Scarab. Well Silver Scarab (who was as lame as he sounds) was put out of his misery by the latest reincarnation of Hath Set, Hawkman’s immortal enemy. Y’know on the topic of immortal enemies, just last week my immortal enemy, Sumner, put gum in my hair. So then I had to go to the barber to get every evened out. What a mess.

What is this a flashback response from? When you were in 3rd grade? Gum in your hair? Boy, that Sumner sure fights dirty. My enemies have been systematically kidnapping everyone I care about and you’re complaining about a haircut?! Also, I shave my head and thus have no hair, so thanks for being insensitive about that. Jerk Anyway, I’ll let you back to your flashback.

Anyway while his body died his essence was gathered up, and took up residence in the dream dimension, where Hector became Sandman. He even brought is wife there and she got pregnant. But then the real! Sandman, Dream/Morpheus reclaimed his throne. What did he do with Hector? Why he put Hector’s soul in the baby growing in Dawn “Dove” Granger’s comatose body. Oh you thought she was dead. Well it turns out she was just comatose, a pawn in a grand scheme. Who is Dawn’s baby’s daddy? Hawk of course. See it was prophesized that the child of Hawk and Dove would have great powers. So Mordu, a real bad guy, wanted possession of the body. But Hector’s soul got there first. Once Hector was (re)born he instantaneously grew to adulthood and took the mantel of Dr. Fate.

So there you have it. Hawkman and Hawk are Hector’s fathers, and Hawkgirl and Dove are his mothers. Oh yeah Hector’s wife is MIA and his son is the new Sandman over in Vertigo. As far as I know the DC and Vertigo versions are the same

So Carter Hall and Hank Hall can both call Hector Hall their son.

Tim, do you think DC should abolish anyone with “Hawk” in their name? I think it would make things much easier.

But if they did that, how could we have this fascinating/weird double parentage?


Chaos feels the pain of superhero snubbing

In Identity Crisis, in the JLA group shot, there’s no Martian Manhunter or Hawkwoman… I always thought J’onn was always in the group, and that the lady hawk was a member with Hawkman?

Hawkgirl was a member of the JLA as was J’onn. They just weren’t there for that picture of for that adventure. J’onn and Shiera had active secret identities (J’onn had multiples), they couldn’t possibly be there for every adventure.

Tim, how do you account for their absence from the photo?

There was a time when I would say that it must have been a mistake since the JLA would never take a group shot when all their members weren’t there. But now that I know they mind erased Batman, I figure they probably don’t even care about issues of respect like that. The way I figure it, J’onn totally called ahead and let them know he was going to be late. He wanted to surprise everyone with his oreo pie (mmm, it’s some good eating) but that crust isn’t easy to do so he wanted to take his time. They all said, “sure, sure, fine,” and then just waited five minutes and took the picture anyway. You just know that he was so heartbroken he went home and beat the crap out of Jemm (you know, that fella from Saturn) for like forty-five minutes. And to think he made them a pie!

As far as Hawkgirl goes, Hawkman’s no dummy. He’s not going to put his woman within 100 feet of the original Senor Grabby Hands, Green Arrow, if it can be avoided.


JohnBritton wants to make everyone cry

Where is that Dale guy from the JLA Detroit era? Did anyone ever write a good JLA Detroit story?

“That Dale guy” is none other than Dale Gunn! Y’know Dale Gunn; best friend of Henry Heywood II. Dale Gunn the guy who helped raise Henry Heywood III, who later went on to become Steel II? Not ringing any bells?

As for where he is now; he’s retired. He lives down in down in Del Boca Vista where he is known as the “Fast Eddie” of Canasta. When asked about his time as the maintenance guy with the Justice League Detroit he says “Well, y’know, they happened.”

Did anyone write a good JL Detroit story? Um, I’ve going with a great big “nope.” I’ve not read them all, or any of them for that matter, but I’ve read summaries and they don’t sound full of promise, by any stretch of the imagination.

Hey time, how about you tackle the Justice League Detroit for your next revamp? That my friend is what we like to call a challenge. Consider the gauntlet thrown down!

Wow…wow. Well, get me a list of the members of this “illustrious team” and I’ll see what I can do.


Column is done. Next week will be better, we can only hope.

“The body of a dancer, we had chemistry cuz she was a Cancer.”

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