EDITOR’S NOTE: Don’t ruin this segment for yourself! Be sure to read Part 1 first.
Aaron used the word “diva”. Unironically. Make of that what you will.
How did Crisis on Infinite Earths diva Harbinger die? And, what the hell did she do in the DCU between the end of the first Crisis and her death?
Aaron, are you trying to make me cry? The treatment of Lyla was probably the one of the most egregious acts committed in a long while.
But let’s start with happier times; The New Guardians. Y’see when the Guardians and the Zamarons disappeared for years of carnal bliss, they promised to return at some point down the line. And when a rep from each group came back they determined that Earth was going to be the place to give rise the next stage of evolution.
So the “Chosen” were picked out and given abilities, and they became the “New Guardians.” The Harbinger joined up because she had powers, nothing to do, and apparently something to offer.
Then she became the recorder of history on Themyscira (Paradise Island). And it was there that she died, in the horrible arc of Superman/Batman that also gave us the brand new Supergirl. She died at the hands of a team put together to kidnap Supergirl. She didn’t even get her moment of glory.
It was a disgraceful death that really served little purpose in build up to Infinite Crisis, other than to leave a void for Donna Troy to fill. I had actually forgotten how much it irked me that she died, so thanks for opening the wound again.
Tim, how do you feel about Lyla’s death?
It seems like every question we get from you Aaron is guaranteed to bring up some terrible memory. Why do you hurt us so?
Anyway to answer the question at hand, I never really cared about Harbinger. My ambivalence towards Crisis on Infinite Earths is well documented and chances are, if you don’t much care about Crisis, you don’t care much about Harbinger.
That said, I still recognize how lousy her demise was. She’s hit by an errant bolt of energy and dies. It happens over the course of about 5 panels and is never mentioned in the rest of the storyline. In fact, I don’t think it really has been referenced in any direct way since. Such a waste. Such. A. Waste.
Great. Now I’m all pissed off. Thanks again Aaron.
Julian must love the white man’s ‘fro to ask about this guy
Whatever happened to Donna Troy’s husband and kid?
Terry Long displaying the “charm” that made him such a fan favorite. “Wonder boy” indeed…ass.
For those of you who weren’t aware, Donna Troy was once married to Terry Long, a divorced professor. They had a loving relationship and even had a child together.
But then Donna’s life started getting all wacky. She found out that her origins were all screwy and whatnot. She lost her powers and was normal for a second. Then she joined the Darkstars. Her life was in a nutty state of flux.
Naturally this took its toll on her marriage. Terry filed for divorce and gained sole custody of their child. The newly single Donna Troy tried to sort things out and even moved on and became involved with Kyle Rayner. She was kind of happy for a moment.
But that moment was short-lived. Terry Long and their son Robert were in a car accident and were killed. Naturally Donna was shaken up by the ordeal and she broke up with Kyle. But eventually she coped with the deaths.
Tim, don’t you kind of feel bad for Donna, I mean she’s got a failed marriage and outlived her child?
Of course I do. I feel worse for her though because she was brought back to participate in two of the more pointless minis of last year AND the worst backup of this year. Killing her again, at this point, would be merciful.
Wake Legion up when we hit 2001
Could you give a somewhat simple/clear explanation on the whole Monarch/Extant/Hank Hall/Captain Atom thing?
I’ll try to be as brief as possible. Actually that’s a lie; I’m going to allow my Quantum Duplicate from the 3/30/05 column do it for me.
Hank Hall (was manipulated a certain “Dark Lord” and) became Monarch (Armageddon 2001.) Monarch absorbed Waverider’s energy and became Extant (Zero Hour). Extant was killed in JSA #15.
(And now I’m going to do a flashback within a flashback)
Now onto Captain Atom. Let me allow 2/24/04 Mathan to handle this one:
Captain Atom was Nathaniel Adam, a good little soldier who was framed for a crime and had a choice between disgrace or a pardon. He went for the pardon and underwent a government experiment that thrust him into the future and gave him powers. He was supposed to be Monarch. He first appeared (in the DCU) in Captain Atom #1.
But wait apparently Captain Atom wasn’t really Nathaniel Adam, but rather his quantum twin. The real Nathaniel Adam was still trapped in the Quantum Field. He got out with Monarch’s armor, and became Monarch II. He first appeared in Extreme Justice #6.
Whoa Tim. With all those Mathans from different timelines, could the framing of my explanation have been more confusing than the actual explanation?
Possibly. So, with that in mind, I have composed this series of pictograms to explain. Enjoy
In the perfect world,
However, it went this way instead
+ LEAKED RUMORS=
+ ZERO HOUR =
+ BATTLE FOR BLUDHAVEN =
So, it took years, but it looks like DC might have finally gotten around to going through with what they had planned in the first place.
Glen find a backwards way to sneak in a Legion question
I remember a character called the Emerald Dragon, who was from the same time period as Booster Gold. Whatever happened to that guy?
Oddly enough Mark Poa had a similar query;
In a similar vein, Zero Hour showed a character called Emerald Dragon. Any info on this guy and what happened to him afterwards?
Emerald Dragon was from a bit further in the future than Booster Gold. He was actually from the 30th Century. And just like most folks from the 30th Century he has links to the Legion.
Emerald Dragon is actually an alias that Jo Nah used. The Legion was being hunted in their time so they had to go undercover and adopt different names. This happened around the time that Zero Hour hit. As a result of Zero Hour that timeline was erased and Emerald Dragon was no more. Sorry guys.
Golly Tim, it’s a Legion related question, whatever are you going to go on about?
What? Oh, I’m sorry, Mathan, I was busying darning some socks so I completely missed what you were talking about. I guess we have no choice but to move on then.
Brad is investigating deadbeat dads
Was Superman: End of the Century an Elseworlds? I fell out of comics for a while, and only got into DC within the past three years anyway, but I have never heard anywhere else of Luthor’s child. Continuity (pre-Crisis, of course) or not?
Neil is his partner
Also, probably more of an opinion question, but do you think SB-Prime’s punched Lena Luthor out of continuity? I don’t think we’ve seen her for years. The last I remember, after “Our Worlds at War,” she was mentioned when a woman came to interview about a nanny job. The woman (whose name I’m forgetting) had the ubiquitous “LL” intials, and furthermore I remember speculation that she was a Brainiac.
Consider the new direction Luthor has taken, do you think it’s worthwhile to bring back Lena? Or should she end up being shipped off to that boarding school in Limbo where Chuck Cunningham, the youngest daugther on Family Matters, and Keith Robert (Perry’s adopted son), among others, were shipped?
Have you ever heard the saying “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”? (By “saying”, you do mean “law of nature” or “Newton’s Third Law”, right?) Well I think this is a case of that.
Y’see Grant Morrison has apparently reintroduced the “Bat-baby” into continuity. Well since it’s a well known fact that only one pop culture comic book icon can have a child at a time, the inclusion of Bat’s kid means that Lex’s kid has been wiped from continuity.
Oh, you didn’t buy that?
Well how about the idea that Lex’s appearance in Justice League of America #0 features a couple typos. It’s supposed to read; “She was my daughter!”
Didn’t work either? Well then let’s pretend that Chuck Cunningham is indeed babysitting the youngest Luthor.
And for the record I’m sure that Superman: End of the Century is still in continuity, except for all the parts concerning Lena.
Tim, do you think that Child Protective Services should be called in for this case of a neglected child?
Nah, this is Lex Luthor we are talking about. Former U.S. President. Pillar of the Metropolis committee. Highly successful businessman. I am sure we can trust him with his child. Or whatever else he wants to do. He’s earned it, right?
Michael G is looking for an executive producer credit
With shows like Smallville, Birds of Prey, Aquaman appearing on TV in recent years, which DCU book/character would make a good TV show based on main characters, supporting cast, plot opportunities and cost of production? I vote Gotham Central.
First off, I love your thinking. Now I’m not going to pretend that I was up on Gotham Central when it was around, despite Daron nagging me about it. But I can say that I’ve been enjoying the trades. And given that letter’s pages are nonexistent, trades are a decent way to collect the series.
That said, if Birds of Prey couldn’t survive with its link to Batman, I don’t see how Gotham Central would fare much better. I’m actually going to have to go for a concept that’s actually already failed as a TV show; Starman
After the success of Smallville Starman was optioned to be made into a pilot. Sadly it was shelved like three years ago.
But I still think that the show is viable. Starman was just as much about Opal and supporting characters as it was about Jack Knight. And that lack of necessary super action would lend itself to a cost effective show. You wouldn’t need special effects every week. Jack also didn’t wear a costume.
Sure Starman isn’t a household name or a famous character, but he’s a critically acclaimed one. And he’s got a loyal devoted fanbase. I believe that, for the most part, you could fit the first arc into a two-hour premiere, and that’s going to hook everyone.
But clearly I’m biased as I’ve got a Starman tattoo and it’s one of my favorite comics of all time.
Tim, what DC property would you like to see on the small screen?
Why not Hourman (android version). Yes, the budget to make him look “real” would be extensive, but let’s just pretend that the network ends up with extra cash and nothing else to spend it on.
Once you get past the budget for a realistic looking android, the rest of the show falls into place. It’s like Mork & Mindy, except good. An android tries to find his way in the world and figure out human ways with the helper of his slacker and his slacker’s ex-girlfriend. The humor would be the sort of randomness embraced by Scrubs and the Adult Swim programming lineup. Oh, and there would a dash of Arrested Development because that show was awesome and I don’t need a better reason than that. It would be like Pretender with Hourman discovering a new human thing to love and obsess over every episode that would slowly be woven into the background/mythology of the show. How good is that? And we haven’t even gotten to the time travel, the villains, the demons, the mad scientists, and the identity swapping.
That sound? That was every major network whipping out their checkbook.
Jag has a lantern jaw, a broad chest, and a propensity for brown suits paired with yellow shirts.
Do you think the awesome Dini/Timm era of DC animated shows is over?
I’ve heard rumors of a Legion of Super-Heroes show, but I don’t know if they’ve got their hands in that one.
I’m pretty sure that is not a Dini/Timm style product. But I could be wrong.
I don’t know if it’s over. I think that with the announcement that DC is doing direct to video animated movies that this would lend itself to them getting back into the animated DC universe. But as far as TV shows are concerned, I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
But I think that clearly Warner video knows that there’s a demand for Dini/Timm product, thus I’m guessing that we’ll be treated to movies from them.
Tim, what’s your take on the future of DC animation?
Sadly, the time for original TV programming, barring a miracle, is over. However, the success of the recent Superman animated film could rush those direct to DVD flicks that Mathan mentioned above to shelves everywhere. We can hope at least.
Although the future looks grim, Batman and Superman strive forward to face it like heroes.
Parallax2814 is killing the industry
With the tons of variant covers released by DC and Marvel what are your top 5 favorites?
Y’know I’m not really a variant cover type of guy. I rarely ever get them. I did manage to snag the Black Canary cover of All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder, but that’s the last “variant” that I picked up.
I suppose that I really liked the Neal Adams cover for All-Star Superman #1, though I didn’t get it.
I also liked the variant cover of Flash #1, but again I didn’t manage to get it.
I thought that the Silver Age-y variant of Supergirl#4, again I didn’t get it, but I dug it.
Oh and the McGuiness cover of Civil War#3 sticks out, because I saw the cover and the last page still caught me by surprise.
Tim, any variance in your favorite variants?
I don’t buy variant covers. Or, rather, I won’t spend more money on variant covers to own them. If I can buy one that I like better for the same cost as the “regular” cover, I’ll do it.
That said, I can appreciate some of the variants for being as good or, typically, better than their more easily acquired counterparts.
In no particular order, here are the five I thought that beat out the rest of the one’s I could think of.
Batman 619– Actually a third printing, not a “true” variant. However, DC has, more or less, begun to treat second printings, etc as variant covers and thus “collectors’ items”. I like this one because I thought it was a lot more dynamic than the heroes or villains standing around covers that adorned the first printings. Plus, it actually told us a little something about the story inside which is a rarity amongst many covers of that particular time (2-3 years ago) and even a lot of covers today.
JLA Classified 1– Again, I’m not sure if this would be considered a “true” variant because this version (depicting the Ultramarines) and the other version (depicting the Justice League) shipped 50/50. Or you could choose your quantity of each. I forget which. Anyway, for my parameters, it is still is. I like this cover better because it a.) shows the Ultramarines who were, arguably, more the stars of the story and were on a lot fewer covers a month than the Justice League and b.) actually fit with the cover blurb. If you put “Where is the Justice League” over and image of the Justice League heroically posing, there’s no tension there. Put it over a squad of little known B, C, and D level heroes though and now you’ve got something. Plus it has the distinction of being one of the two covers on this list I actually own.
Green Lantern 9– This beat out its competition based purely on art. I like Van Sciver better, period. It also turned out to be a nice bit of foreshadowing, so that’s cool too.
Teen Titans 34– I’ve never seen this in a comic shop ever. I don’t know why. Maybe they only shipped like 6. Anyway, I forget which “the players were only outlined until the comic was released” cover this corresponds to (I think it was the Robin one where all the “shadows” were red) but this was a more striking image and a better hint at what kind of shape the Titans were in OYL. The other cover told you, “Look at this wacky lineup,” this one makes it clear the shadow that hangs over the Tower and why.
Superman/Batman 26– Again, a far better representation of the tone of the stories within. The “main” cover was just Superman and Robin jogging towards the reader. It was generic and not particularly engaging. This is strikingly minimalistic and perfectly encapsulates the ache of emptiness where Superboy (and Sam) used to be. This, in case you were wondering, is the other variant on this list I own. And I did not pay over cover price for it.
Jason R. better ask this question now because any minute his timeline won’t exist anymore
What retcon (from the original Crisis to now) has caused you the most pain/frustration? To be more specific, what story did you love the most that “no longer happened” (and I’m ignoring the “Hypertime means everything happened” line). For me, it would have to be JLA: Year One.
JLA: Year One was a good read, but it’s really only twelve issues. The loss that I endured was an entire Era. Of course I’m talking about the Legion of Super-Heroes.
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you ever wondered how Mathan’s broken heart looks, here it is.
The original Crisis screwed the LSH. Technically it was when John Byrne took Superboy out of continuity that caused a fracture in the foundation of the Legion that grew to gargantuan proportions.
First off the Legion had to explain who the Superboy was in all of their tales. And they did that with the Time Trapper’s Pocket Universe. And then everything was cool for a second.
But then they abandoned that concept because it was too fragile and firmly attached themselves to the modern DCU. They even had the future Mon-El hook up with the clone Superboy who put him in the Phantom Zone. You even had Laurel Gand who took the place of Supergirl. And again, things were cool for a second.
When Zero Hour came and DC decided to clean the slate in terms of the LSH. They thought that it was time to pull the plug on the fatally shot LSH, because the band aids that were “Laurel Kent” and “Pocket Universes” weren’t really helping fix things.
They were probably right, but it doesn’t mean that my heart didn’t break any less when the Cosmic Boy and Brainiac 5 that I grew to love over the years, were wiped from existence.
So my Legion of Super-Heroes suffered from both the original COIE and Zero Hour. It’s been over a dozen years and I still mourn their passing. I think I’ve got you beat.
What retcon do you loathe, Tim?
I actually have been thinking about this all day (by this point I have edited this column, found all the images, edited the images, placed the images, and responded to every other question) and I cannot come up with anything. I’ve certainly disliked stories or character arcs, but I can’t remember one recon that made me throw my hands up and cry foul or left me truly and deeply disappointed.
I will say that I wish Year One was continuity though. I always like the notion that these 5 not ready for the Trinity players got together and formed the greatest modern superhero team without the Big 3’s help. I think putting Wonder Woman back in diminishes her (she’s the only one of the Big 3 that “needs help” early in her career) and diminishes the league (it, in essence, becomes a Wonder Woman and the League show). But I get it and it does not bother me at all that much.
Besides that though, I’m coming up empty. I guess I’ve just lived a privileged comics reading existence.
Has a DC comic (or a comic in general) ever made you cry, or at least tugged on your heartstrings and made you want to cry, and not in the ‘this issue was so bad I want to cry’ way. Because there was a recent issue that, while it didn’t make me cry, I tell you, I was damn close. I don’t remember that ever happening to me with any comic before. (And it was a DC comic.)
In terms of the most recent Superman/Batman #26 featured a back up story that was so poignant. It probably would have touched me without the real life inspiration, but that just made it all the more beautiful and tragic. It’s a wonderful piece of work.
You know oddly enough the aforementioned Common Grounds fourth issue had a story called Glory Days that was featured a touching and heartwarming scene that choked me up bit. That was such great story.
Also Legion of Super-Heroes #3 (1989) hit me kind of hard. It’s the issue where Roxxas butchers Blok. Blok was always impervious and had retired to seek enlightenment. Along comes Roxxas who brutally kills him and then sends body parts to Lightning Lad. I wasn’t crying but I was kind of sucking my teeth, “that’s not fair, that’s not right.” That was one of the first comics that really affected me in that manner.
There you go Tim. I put myself out there. I put it all on the line and showed a more sensitive side of myself. Now the balls in your court.
I think we’ve answered a similar question to this in the past and I think that I completely blanked then too. Still, I can remember one on the DC side of things that left me with a lump in my throat.
Green Lantern 81. The Funeral for Hal Jordan. I’m probably just a big girl or something, but I can remember that story leaving me deeply, deeply sad. I was fifteen years old, I had borrowed it from a friend, and I returned the next day, and went to the comic shop to buy myself one (I got the cool cover with everybody holding the green flame, not the one pictured here). Read it again, same reaction. I haven’t read it in about 4 years, but I have to be honest and say that it still worked me over pretty good then too.
Biggest heart tugger ever though, for me, belongs to Marvel Comics and the issue where Aunt May died. Yes, the woman was later revealed to be an actress pretending to be Aunt May, etc. etc. Whatever. That mindless retraction does not stop the fact that Peter and his Aunt spending her last day on Earth together before he slips her into bed and encourages her to fly off “to the second star on the left and straight on til morning” is damn, damn sad.
Uh oh Tim, it’s…
Temporary Mainstay Time!!!
Neil’s stuck in a moment and he can’t get out of it.
What were the five biggest mistakes DC made in the past 10 years?
You know I’d have to say that it’s the mishandling of characters that DC has made the mistakes with.
Black Lightning’s a Daddy? – Just a few short years ago, Jefferson Pierce was a guy with a failed marriage, but he was still a class act. However, now Jeff is a guy who not only couldn’t keep his marriage together, he couldn’t keep his family together for the sake of his child?
Jeff has always been portrayed as a class act. There’s no way, based on his previous appearances, that he wouldn’t have found a way to make his marriage work if there was a kid involved. If that means giving up the hero gig, he would have done it in an instant. That’s just the type of guy he is.
I mean was, as he’s now apparently been an absentee father. Great DC, just what we need another example of a Black man who isn’t there for his wife and kid. Ooh, why not completely fulfill the stereotype by having his affair with a white woman have caused the dissolution of his marriage?
Oooo, that’s good, Mathan. You should write in and let DC know about that white woman thing.
Oh…you’re joking? Well, me too, obviously.
Okay, to get serious here for a second. I’ll agree with the fact that the last thing DC should’ve done was portray him as a man who abandoned his family. However, as a child of divorce, I’ve got to call BS on your “couldn’t keep the marriage together for the sake of his child” statement. The fact that this idea of staying together for the children’s sake is still in vogue still blows my ever loving mind. In a perfect world, yes, it is best to have two loving parents to raise a child. But the parents must not just be loving to their children, they must be loving to one another. If you “stick it out” you make yourself miserable, you create a distorted view of relationships for your children, and you create a home environment that is hostile, not a refuge from a hostile world.
Divorce sucks, no doubt about that. However, no one who’s ever gotten divorced is a bad person or bad parent based purely on that act alone. If Mr. Pierce got divorced and still was the father that his child needed then he did not do anything wrong. Again I get and support the “absentee father” mistake you see here, but I’ve gotta say the divorce should not be thrown in the same bag with it.
Connor Hawke/Oliver Queen – Yeah, I know that Connor has been around a lot longer than 10 years. But until relatively recently it was thought that Ollie had no knowledge that he was a father. However all that changed when Brad Meltzer jumped on Green Arrow for an arc.
It was there that readers learned that Ollie had known he had a child and decided not to get involved. Now I’m not the biggest Arrowhead, but even I find it hard to believe that Ollie would do that. Yet that’s exactly what DC wants us to believe.
I don’t love it either. Mostly because I really enjoyed Hal Jordan (as Parallax) being way too involved in his friend’s life by revealing Connor as his son before Connor even had a chance to do so.
Admit it though, Mathan, you’re just mentioning this one so Starman Matt will be your BFF.
Hal Jordan as The Spectre – I’m sure that Geoff Johns had completely mapped out Hal Jordan’s road to redemption. Bring him back to life – check. Absolve him of responsibility for Emerald Twilight – check. Make him Green Lantern again – check. But couldn’t we have done without Jordan’s tenure as The Spectre?
I love Norm Breyfogle and Ryan Sook, but not even they could make this book any more tolerable. I don’t know who thought that Hal would make a good Spectre, but I know they owe everyone a handwritten apology.
I’ll admit that I got taken in by this. I thought, “Hey, I like Hal and I like Spectre, why wouldn’t I love them together?” The answer to that question is, “Because it is a really bad idea.” Under someone’s hands somewhere it might’ve worked. Maybe. But DC never found its footing on this one.
Mystical Water Hand Aquaman – I endured Aquaman written by Erik Larsen. I tolerated Aquaman written by Dan Jurgens. But I loathed the mystical Aquaman that appeared in the first year of the current title as written by Rick Veitch.
I hated how touchy feely he was. I didn’t dig the Lady of the Lake. I didn’t dig the Thirst’s minions. I didn’t even really dig the art. The best part about this direction was when it ended.
You know I am right there with you on this Mathan. Water hand? Really DC?
Kyle as the Green Lantern Corps buddy – For the life of me, I can’t figure out how the Corps has embraced Kyle Rayner. Allow me to try to break it down.
1) Kyle may have restored the GLC, but Hal destroyed it. To me that means that folks from Earth are at best treated with suspicion.
2) Kyle didn’t earn his ring. Every other GL was recruited. Kyle just lucked out. He might as well be a lotto winner in a country club full of people who’s family profited off of slavery. He didn’t have to recharge every 24 hours. He could actually affect yellow things. The “real” Green Lanterns should look down their nose at him.
Ok, I think that’s enough. This guy shouldn’t be exalted, he should be borderline shunned. He should have done something to actually earn their respect.
The Guardians love him? So what? That should make the other Green Lanterns resent him even more for being perceived as a brown nose. DC really needs to explain why everyone has taken a shine to Kyle Rayner.
Your reasoning makes a certain amount of sense to me, but the “Kyle as legend in his own time” does not really bother me. I think it has less to do with character development though and more to do with tossing the Kyle as GL fans a bone while they swallow the bitter pill of watching Hal become Numero Uno in the DCU once more.
Tim, would you like to report any character assaults?
How could I resist. You can subtitle mine: “War Games/Crimes” Edition.
Orpheus Gets Schooled and Dispatched by Black Mask– Boo! Boo in every single solitary way. Gotham’s one black hero (and don’t even get me started on how the heck that’s possible) is taken one with ease. The killing was too quick and easy, no one mourned him, and, let me restate this again, Gotham’s one black hero was sacrificed for the sake of an overblown crossover.
Black Mask as Jabbering Joker Clone– I liked Black Mask the crime boss, I liked Black Mask the cult leader. What I could not stand was Willingham writing him in Games/Crimes as a cackling psychotic. Here’s a fun game. Cut out a picture of Joker. Put it over any picture of Black Mask when he’s talking during Crimes or Games. Does the dialogue seem implausible coming out of Joker’s mouth? Or does it, in fact, make more sense and feel more natural now?
Spoiler is Tortured for 8 Issues– I don’t agree that Spoiler had to die. But if she did, did she really need such a horribly prolonged demise. Reading this storyline almost singlehandedly convinced me that the Women in Refrigerator movement was more than a little on to something.
Also, because apparently no one who dies in “War” can be mourned, Stephie has gone largely unmourned and unmemorialized. And, oh yes, another minority crime fighter (read: not white and male) is sacrificed to this crossover.
Leslie Thompkins: Murderer– It’s been covered here extensively so I won’t waste many words on it. I will simply say this: making your point by letting a teenager die is never ever an acceptable solution. Ever. Especially if you are a doctor.
AND A BONUS ONE FOR #5
Jason Todd as an Amoeba– Officially, Bruce Jones is no longer trying. At least, I hope he’s not.
Alas, the column is over. But don’t fret. Next week we’ll be back with plenty more questions. Future columns will feature comparisons between the past and the present and a trip to Gotham City. Just remember to keep your questions coming. Email them to me, or Our Superboy Punch-Proof Thread!
Before we go here’s my question to you; Which of the leads in 52 do you think will die before the series is over?
“Wait a minute, wait a minute, give a minute, baby I can explain the aftershave.”
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