Ultimate Marvel Handbook #208

Features

Hello all and welcome to yet another edition of the Marvel handbook. We have quite a lot to cover this week. Daron you ready to go?

Yes finally, been moving all week (hell all month, and I’m finally done). I’m still unpacking though. Man moving sucks!

I know how you feel partner. I will say though with a lot to cover we‘re going to have to start right away, I think

Works for me…I have to be at work in a bit.

Cory emails

Sup J&D…Another new week, more new questions. Here goes all:

Hey Cory

1. About Brandon’s email last week, I wanted to make a point about a few questions. “Who else has never met in the Marvel U? Any heroes not yet fight a villain that you would love to see or two heroes who have never met? ” I say that 3 heroes have (almost) met or interacted with (almost) the whole Marvel U. Wolverine, Spidey, and Cap. Wolverine for the fact that he’s been everywhere to the point of overexposure. Spidey for being in NYC and the everyman superhero. Cap for being a legend from the WW2, a leader, and the living embodiment of the U.S.

I think you could very well be right. In fact Cap and Wolverine even have an advantage as being around in WW 2 and meeting quite a few of the past heroes and villains

2. As for others. Most heroes have met each other for the most part now. There’s likely some obscure ones. I mean obscure heroes don’t show up enough to have met many of the other heroes. I agree that most have met now. Civil War has to have proved that, especially with everyone in a mask (good or bad) choosing sides, and WWHulk can finish this interaction with everyone fighting against him…that or Initiative.

I will agree with this statement as well.

3. Uneven fights??? Anyone ever hear of Squirrel Girl? Others that come to mind are Cage vs. Doom, Cannonball vs. Gladiator, Marrow vs. Wolverine. Any others guys?

You got to love Squirrel Girl. She’s taken out some of the biggest threats known:

Bi-Beast
Bug-Eyed Voice
Deadpool
Dr. Doom
Giganto
Mandarin
M.O.D.O.K.
Pluto
Terrax
Thanos

That’s a short list. You listed some good ones as well. How about Marvel Two-In-One Annual #7. Thing beat mostly everyone. We’re talking about some of the strongest characters in comics

4. I also hear an internet rumor that Sabretooth is gonna “die”? By Wolverine’s hand (finally) with the Maramasa blade. I admit Cyber is back, but Creed is his Joker. His evil counterpart. What can you fellas make of this?

He’s a goner. I’ve heard this over and over. It’s been Loeb’s plan from the start since taking over this story. With Sabretooth dead (he’ll be back we all know it.) the plan is to have Dekan take over as Wolverine’s arch enemy. I think given time Deken could be something but they may be pushing him to fast. Sabretooth will be back though. We all know it

What, you think Marvel will bring a dead character back to life…yeah right. They have too much integrity to do that!

5. Besides Gambit, Daron! Who are the odds against to die in X-Men: Endangered Species?? I know that it isn’t any of the following: Rictor, Jamie Madrox, Cyclops, Mystique, Hellion, Gambit, Bishop, Wolfsbane, Warpath, Angel, X-23, Sinister, Prof. X and Wolverine. i say it’s a female member. Either Rogue, Lady Mastermind, or Prime Sentinel. Beast, maybe.

I know this one is for Daron. But I‘ve got my odds on this:

1. Gambit
2. Rogue
3. Emma Frost
4. Cyclops
5. Iceman
6. Cannonball
7. Beast

Well I wouldn’t mind them killing of Rogue or Emma. That is if Gambit HAS to stay alive. I don’t know any more than you however, on who it will actually be.

6. What all have we as readers found out about Wolverine’s past, since he now “knows everything”? Is he and Creed related? Is he Dog Logan?

Let‘s give a full Wolverine history lesson:

Wolverine’s history began in Alberta, Canada in the late 1880’s. The man who would come to be known simply as “Logan” (the costumed adventurer, Wolverine) was born James Howlett to Elizabeth Howlett and John Howlett Jr, owners of a large estate. However, in his adulthood James Howlett came to resemble the appearance of the groundskeeper, Thomas Logan, much more closely than his legal father. It is likely he was the product of the illicit affair between Elizabeth Howlett and Thomas Logan which had occurred in the past.

As the boy was notably frail and prone to bouts of allergic attacks, he spent most of his early years on the estate grounds and had two playmates that lived on the Howlett estate with him: Rose, a red-headed girl who was brought in from town to be a companion to young James, and a boy nicknamed “Dog,” the groundskeeper’s son. Thomas Logan was an alcoholic and was extremely abusive to his son. The children were close friends but as they reached young adulthood, the abuse inflicted upon Dog warped his mind. Dog made unwanted advances toward Rose, which James reported to his father. In retaliation Dog killed James’ puppy, in turn leading to the expulsion of Thomas Logan and Dog from the estate.

Thomas Logan, in a drunken stupor, invaded the Howlett estate with his son and attempted to take Elizabeth Howlett (implied to be his former lover) with him. John Jr attempted to stop him and Thomas Logan shot him down in cold blood. James Howlett had just entered the room when this occurred and for the first time his mutation manifested; his claws extended from the backs of his hands and he attacked the intruders with uncharacteristic ferocity, killing Thomas Logan, and scarring Dog’s face with three claw marks. Elizabeth Howlett, who was already an emotionally disturbed woman since her first son’s mysterious death, took her life immediately afterward with a blast from Thomas’ gun.

Fearing for their safety, Rose fled the estate with James, who appeared to have been deeply traumatized and had somehow repressed or forgotten most of the memories of life back at the estate. Dog falsely reported to the police and James’s grandfather that Rose had murdered John Howlett Jr and Thomas Logan. The eldest Howlett shunned James and, with no family left, took Dog in as his ward. However, Dog was already a burgeoning psychopath and it was too late for his character to evolve down any other path.

In the years that followed, James and Rose took refuge in a British Columbia mining colony under the guise of being cousins. James also assumed the name of “Logan” in order to hide his identity. As the hard work of mining toughened his body, and his mutant powers developed, he grew to be unusually strong and ferocious. He was immune to the elements and even ran with the wolves in the forest, learning to hunt as an animal hunts. “Logan” became a valuable and admirable figure amongst the small community of miners due to his hard work and strong ethics, earning him the respect of his peers, including the foreman Smitty, who became a surrogate father figure to James. During this period, James developed strong feelings for Rose, but could not act on them for the sake of their guise as cousins. Smitty, who had been mentoring James all these years, had also grown close to Rose, and the two eventually fell in love and became engaged, much to the scorn and surprise of James, who later accepted the situation for the sake of Rose’s happiness. Meanwhile, his grandfather, John Howlett Sr, was in failing health and asked Dog to find Rose and his grandson so he could make peace with them before he died. Dog agreed. However, Dog (who had become a physically formidable man himself) decided to track them down so he could kill James.

Dog hunted James and Rose down so easily that it seemed he had a preternatural skill for tracking. On the night that Smitty was due to leave the mining town with Rose, Dog (who bore an uncanny resemblance to Logan’s future nemesis, Sabretooth) finally found and confronted James. Dog reminded James of his past, and that faithful night back on the estate that had changed all their lives so. The two fought fiercely in the middle of the street and, despite being the physically stronger of the two, Dog was eventually overpowered by the enraged James. As Dog lay unconscious, James unsheathed his claws for the first time in public (to the shock of everyone watching) and was about to deal the deathblow when Rose leaped in to stop him but was accidentally impaled by his claws. Horrified, “Logan” held her in his arms as she died. He then fled into the woods where he lived in self-imposed exile with a pack of wolves, presumably for many years.
Logan’s healing factor granted him an extended life span and had endowed him the physical condition of a man in his prime, despite his age.

Apparently, Wolverine returned to civilization sometime later, as he met Nick Fury, Captain America, and a young Black Widow fighting the Nazis in Madripoor and Europe during World War II. Afterward, he joined the Canadian Army and participated in D-Day, as well as the liberation of the Netherlands. He may have also been a spy for the Allied Forces and it was recently revealed that he may have spent time in the Sobibor concentration camp.

Wolverine had strong memories of loving the Native American woman, Silver Fox, and living with her in a cabin before they were recruited into Team X, but whether or not these memories were true would tantalize him for a long time before he finally learned the truth. On his birthday, Sabretooth, who lived in the same town that Wolverine lived in, apparently killed Silver Fox.

Years later, Logan resurfaced as a federal agent. During the 1960s, he was placed on a government Black Ops team with Sabretooth, Maverick, Kestrel, Mastodon, and Silver Fox. Team X was apparently disbanded after a botched mission concerning Omega Red.
Sometime after World War II, Logan was taken by a group of scientists led by Dr. Cornelius as part of the Weapon X Project. Cornelius was hired to perfect and use a technique that would bond the indestructible element adamantium to human bone cells. Logan’s skeleton was bonded to the adamantium, and he was indoctrinated into the Weapon X assassin program.

He was a super-agent of Canada’s Department H, which the Hudsons worked for, and was dispatched to halt the destruction caused by The Incredible Hulk and the Wendigo, who were locked in a savage fight. His speed and maneuverability proved to be a match for the two plodding powerhouses, and he managed to take out the Wendigo after Hulk gained the upper hand, throwing the Wendigo into a patch of trees. The Hulk and Wolverine kept on fighting, with the Hulk emerging victorious. Hulk abandoned the unconscious Wolverine, unaware of his healing factor. The defeated Wolverine returned to Department H.

After his encounter with the Hulk, Wolverine was conscripted by Department H to join and lead Alpha Flight, Canada’s government-run super team. During his leadership of Alpha Flight, Wolverine was approached by Professor Charles Xavier, who was looking for mutants to help his students, the X-Men, escape from the island-being known as Krakoa, which had captured them. Wolverine left Alpha Flight to accompany Xavier and rescue the captured X-Men. After Krakoa was defeated, Wolverine decided to stay with the X-Men, for reasons which included that he had fallen for Marvel Girl.
Logan remained with the X-Men for quite some time, at one time being their field commander, and encountered adversaries such as Proteus, Magneto, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, the Brood, the Reavers, demons from the dimension of Limbo, the Marauders, the Morlocks, and even Dracula on one occasion.

Romantically interested in Jean Grey, but unable to requite his love, Wolverine later fell in love with and became engaged to Lady Mariko Yashida, heir to an extremely powerful Yakuza family in Tokyo. Wolverine revealed that he was able to fluently speak Japanese, surprising her with the contrast to his often savage exterior. Wolverine later traveled to Japan to confront his ex-mentor, Ogun, along with Kitty Pryde. Years before, Ogun was defeated in combat, and ever since, his malicious spirit has had to find host bodies. Ogun captured Kitty, and Logan used his training to help her overcome his evil, forcing him from her body. Afterwards, Logan and Kitty became very close friends, with her as a near-foster daughter to him.

Wolverine was forced to kill her father, Lord Shingen, in a duel. Mariko and Logan became estranged due to the honor customs of her family, as well as the manipulations of the villain Mastermind.

In a fight between the X-Men and a giant dragon over Tokyo, a young girl’s mother was killed. Wolverine took it upon himself to watch over the girl, Amiko, who to this day Logan tries to visit, although she is currently under the care of his close friend and sometimes lover Yuriko.

When the X-Men temporarily relocated to the Australian Outback, Wolverine took the runaway mutant Jubilee under his wing, after she saved his life from an attack by Lady Deathstrike and the Reavers. She eventually became like a daughter to him, much like Kitty before. Wolverine also spent a lot of time in the seedy areas of Madripoor, under the false identity of ‘Patch’.

While based in Australia, a man would ask Wolverine to go to the Savage Land, where he encountered a tribe of humans. Arriving in a lightweight plane, the tribe believed him a god, with the exception of Gahck, the tribe’s female chieftain. Gahck challenged Wolverine to combat, and once it was established that he wasn’t a god, he offered to help their hunting parties. Logan subsequently started a relationship with Gahck. When members of the tribe were captured, Wolverine discovered that a robotic Tyrannosaurus Rex would attack the tribe and take their members to a secret base. Wolverine discovered that experiments were performed on the tribe members by Apocalypse, and after freeing himself and the captured Gahck, he battled Apocalypse, though it turned out to be a robot. In the Apocalypse robot’s lab, Logan learned that Apocalypse was the man who had told him to journey to the Savage Land. Wolverine then left, not realizing that he had fathered a son with Gahck named Erista.

After the X-Men returned to America, Wolverine finally returned to the Weapon X base in Canada. There, he inadvertently activated the Shiva program, which was designed to kill rogue Weapon X graduates. Wolverine also became much darker, as he learned many of his memories were implants.

Wolverine then finally reunited with Mariko, who had refused to reconcile her love with Logan until her clan was cleansed of all illegal activities. However, almost immediately after they were reunited, she was promptly poisoned by a Yakuza assassin working for Matsu’o, a business man who bore a great grudge against Wolverine. Mariko asked Wolverine to end her life quickly rather than let her die a slow and painful death from the toxin. Wolverine reluctantly complied. This changed Wolverine’s character significantly, making him even more disciplined and emotionally distant. Wolverine then vowed to Matsu’o that on each and every one of his birthdays he would slice off a body part until there was nothing of him left.

Shortly after Mariko’s death, he rejoined his former Team X members Silver Fox, Sabretooth, Maverick, John Wraith, and Mastodon, with Jubilee, and Hines of the Weapon X Program, in hunting down Aldo Ferro a.k.a Vole, a powerful psi-talent who brainwashed many of them for Weapon X. Wolverine was shocked to learn that Silver Fox was still alive. To his surprise, Silver Fox despised him for something she believed he had done. She was subsequently killed by Sabretooth, who was controlled by Ferro, before Wolverine could figure out what she believed he had done. Ferro himself died soon afterward.

After his encounter with the mutant assassin Omega Red, Logan began to question the memories he possessed, but his searches to find his true identity and memories proved fruitless. Logan possessed memories of being a Samurai in Japan, a mercenary operative for the CIA, and a “wild man” in the Canadian wilderness. He also had remembered romances with Mariko Yashida and Silverfox. Wolverine suffered a mental breakdown which stemmed from the deaths of Mariko and Silver Fox and Weapon X’s mental tampering. Due to extensive memory implants given to Logan through the Weapon X Project, any or all of these memories are suspect. Logan has at least one memory of meeting Captain America in World War II while he was in the Canadian Army which has been verified as true.

During an encounter with the mutant Magneto on his space station called Avalon, Wolverine slashed Magneto with his claws. Magneto retaliated, using his powers of the magnetic field to tear the adamantium out of Wolverine’s skeleton, causing extensive injuries. These injuries shorted out Wolverine’s healing factor for a time, and Logan also discovered that the claws that he believed a result of the Weapon X program were in fact part of his actual bone structure due to his mutation. These bone claws became Wolverine’s main weapons until his skeleton later became grafted to adamantium again.
As a result of his injuries, Logan left the X-Men for a time. He visited Muir Island at the request of Kitty Pryde, and was also attacked by Cyber. During the Phalanx invasion, Logan and Cable were asked by Charles Xavier to find and rescue the captured X-Men. They joined with Cyclops and Jean Grey, returning from their honeymoon (and secretly the future), and freed their teammates in Tibet.

Later, Logan was kidnapped by Tyler Dayspring, calling himself Genesis, who wanted to make Wolverine one of his new Horsemen. Genesis had acquired adamantium by destroying the body of the mercenary known as Cyber, and had planned to recreate the bonding process used on Logan years ago. This time, however, Logan’s body rejected the adamantium, and he regressed for a time to a feral-like state.

Logan regained his lucidity and rejoined the X-Men. Logan was subsequently kidnapped by the would-be conqueror Apocalypse and forced to fight the savage assassin Sabretooth for the mantle of the Horseman Death. Knowing that he might be able to resist Apocalypse’s programming and that Sabretooth would be a very dangerous villain with the support of Apocalypse, Logan fought and defeated his nemesis. As a result, his skeleton again was laced with Adamantium. Under the control of Apocalypse, Wolverine fought the X-Men ferociously in his Death persona. But with the help of his teammates, he eventually broke free from Apocalypse’s control.

While on the Weapon Plus satellite, Logan was able to access detailed files on his past. However, it was a trap, and only Jean’s manifestation of the Phoenix was able to save them. Wolverine greatly mourned Jean’s loss and was not pleased with Cyclops’ and Emma Frost’s relationship, but he has remained a valued member of the X-Men, serving on as many missions as he can while also doing solo operations.

Wolverine was ambushed by The Hand and Hydra. Transformed into a killing machine and outfitted with several devices, he battled various other heroes. He stabbed both Hornet and Northstar. SHIELD was able to deprogram Logan. While on a mission in the Savage Land, he met the recently reformed Avengers and eventually accepted membership.

As a result of the House of M, Wolverine regained all of his memories, finally being able to sort between what was true and implanted. He was last seen traveling to Japan in an attempt to come to terms with his past. He went to visit the Silver Samurai, who serves as a guard to the prime minister of Japan. Wolverine battled with Silver Samurai, cutting his hand in the process. Later, he visited the site of the original Weapon X program, which led to a clash with Captain America regarding a man named Bucky, who apparently killed Wolverine’s wife, the Japanese Itsu, and unborn child.

Bucky apologized to Wolverine, telling him that he was not in control of his actions at the time. Wolverine then began to reminisce about his wife, a Japanese woman named Itsu, and the events that led up to him meeting her. After WWII, but before he had been given his Adamantium skeleton by Weapon X, Wolverine trained under the martial arts master Ogun. After completing his training, Ogun sent Wolverine to a village where another master, Bando Saburo, taught men who had been made into weapons how to become men once more.

There Wolverine met Itsu and they fell in love, eventually marrying and conceiving a child together. Saburo’s village was surrounded by mountains belonging to the demon sword smith Muramasa. After Bucky’s murder of Itsu, Wolverine, believing it was the people of the village who had killed his pregnant wife, pledged his allegiance to the demon. Muramasa boasted that he would make a sword in honor of Wolverine, one that could defeat even him.

Through unknown means, Muramasa began the process, which Weapon X most likely completed, that made Wolverine into a living weapon. What followed remains unclear, but Wolverine apparently returned to North America where he met Silver Fox for the first time. It can then be gathered that following Silver Fox’s murder, he was recruited by Team X and then given his Adamantium skeleton by Weapon X.

After remembering this, Wolverine went back to Muramasa’s mountain and reclaimed the Muramasa Blade which belonged to him. Muramasa willingly gave the sword to Wolverine and told him to “wield it like an angry god”. Currently, Wolverine wants revenge, and he now remembers who deserves his vengeance.

After the destruction of Stamford by the supervillain Nitro, which starts Civil War, Wolverine goes after Nitro himself. Although the X-Men are neutral in this conflict, Wolverine, also a member of the New Avengers, leads a shield team to aprehend Nitro. This goes badly, with Wolverine as the only survivor, and a conflict with several Atlantean guards, and the king of Atlantis himself, Namor. Nitro is eventually brought to Atlantis, where he loses a hand to Wolverine’s adamantium claws.

Post Civil War, Wolverine joins the new New Avengers, and goes renegade with the likes of Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Ronin, and Doctor Strange.

Now as we know Wolverine has an in depth history which I just added. Next issue I’ll cover some of the events and past he found out recently thanks to HOM. This one should almost be a project to itself.

7. About my Avengers role call last week, how about Jennifer Love Hewitt as a young Wanda Maximoff or Melina Kanakaredes (from CSI:NY) as the old Wanda? Thor is hard for a few reasons. Will he be CGI or a really person, or will he be just Thor or Thor/Donald Blake? About Ms. Marvel…hmmm. Beauty, attitude, & blond = Charlize Theron. Wonder Man…Patrick Warburton? These selections any better?

Those I do like a ton more. Very good choices. I’m trying to figure out a good Thor. I do agree Donald Blake should be included

I’m liking these a bit better, and I could see Charlize as Marvel, but that’s gonna be a seriously padded bra!

8. So it’s official. Word is more Spider-Man films, maybe 3, but no more X-men films. Hugh Jackman is reportedly getting almost 20 million to star as Wolvie in the solo movie, and wants to focus on the spin-off movies now. Movies such as Magneto, Mystique, and maybe an Emma Frost. So is all lost for Marvel’s favorite mutant franchise? If no, what else could be done?

Well as you and I have discussed. If they did more X-Men movies Sinister, the Hellfire Club and Apocalypse would make the best choices for villains.Even something in the line of the Morlocks and a Mutant Massacre

Well all I have to say is RIP X-Men. I honestly wouldn’t want to see any more movies carried on from the last one anyway. I will however probably see any spin offs. I’d really like them to get a half decent director though and Brett Ratner go back to just making Rush Hour movies…

9. Avengers: Disassembled, Decimation, House of M, Civil War, Silent War, Cap’s death, no Fury…hell who isn’t acting like a Skrull nowadays? Though I will admit that Stark as one is WAY too obvious, and Jessica Drew scares me. What’s up with Luke Cage’s baby though?

The baby I think could be full skrull. I think it’s quite possible Jess got replaced by a Skrull on her way to Canada with the baby

Of course we know about Elektra.
I don’t think Spider-Woman is one.
I think it’s possible there is a Wolverine Skrull (there’s likely two Wolverine’s running around meaning)
I also think Maria Hill could very well be a Skrull.
I don’t think Tony is.
Or Nick Fury. I think Nick went underground because he knew about the Skrulls
It’s possible Wonder Man is a Skrull
It’s possible one of the FF is a Skrull (my thinking is Reed)
Plus at least 1 X-Men other then Wolverine

10. if we did a Deadpool casting call, how bout HHH as T-Ray. Just paint his skin, and he’s in. This way Ryan Reynolds can get a second helping of HHH’s ass that started in Blade 3. Who else would make the film? Siryn, Blind Al, Weasel, Bob from Hydra, Outlaw, Alex Hayden?


I like it. I would so do that just to see the rematch of HHH and Ryan

The rest:

Siryn needs to be involved. Either we get a hot red head or a woman willing to go red
Weasel needs to get involved. (need to come up with a good person to play him)
T-Ray as you said
Outlaw I would include
The rest can be left out for now. Can throw in Copycat though

11.If you could PERMENTALLY switch a villian (or two) to a hero who would it be and why? This one is funny but Batroc the Leaper or Hydro-Man, no real reason why. I agree with Daron though. Too many villians are either somewhat heroic, and heroes are anti-heroish. So that gray area is bigger than the black or white area especially with the stories as of now. I would buy a Bullseye “anti-hero” miniseries.

I do agree with Daron on that as well with the Anti-hero or gray area with many of the villains now a days

12. Same question but a hero to be permentally a villian? I also say Cyclops…he is long overdo for some type of turn. I thought it would come after he told Xavier to literally “hit the road” after Deadly Genesis. I will say this…that my choice is Reed Richards. the day he turns will be the day of reckoning for the Marvel U.

You know what happens the day Reed goes evil? Doom becomes a hero. This could really turn into quite a story.

If Doom ever became a hero, I think I would officially be done with Marvel.

13. Since Joe Q. is still in charge, what happened to the long forgotten Ultraverse characters that Marvel acquired a while ago?

I still haven’t heard. I mean every so often you hear rumors of them coming back into play. They still haven’t found the right story or right angle to do it. Right writer as well

Over at Welcome to My Nightmare, Jeff has been asking this very same question. It seems absurd to acquire a company and then do literally nothing with the entire line of characters you bought.

14. Why didn’t the following characters work as X-men or as characters as a whole? Marrow, Maggott, Cecelia Reyes, Thunderbird III, Slipstream, and Lifeguard?

Marrow: I could say they tried making her to much like Wolverine more times then not and tried forcing her onto the X-Fans. She could’ve been built into a better character if they didn’t force it

Maggott: This one was more of bad judgement call. The writer never did get anywhere with him. They could’ve actually done more with him as a villain

Cecelia Reyes: Cece never fit. She was right when she said she didn’t want to be a hero. She could’ve stuck around though more as maybe a Moira Mactaggert like character

Thunderbird III: This one is all on Chris I think. He may have let this one just die by himself. He didn’t give enough for the character to really become much

Slipstream/Lifeguard: I combined these two. I think that the Shi’ar story coming up with Vulcan would be a great way to bring these two back into play

Considering how many X-characters there already are, does it really surprise you that a bunch of half-thought-out characters never really made it? Marvel still really needs to pare down the x-franchise in general.

15. We all know that Cyke’s and Havok’s powers are useless against each other, but is this a “Summers’ factor” or does this work with all Marvel siblings? Sue & Johnny, Capt. Britain & Psylocke, Wanda & Pietro.

Sue and Johnny aren’t mutant so the variable more likely would come into play with them more

Cap/Psylocke. I’ve not seen evidence that either power work. With Captain Britain’s though being more supernatural in nature they likely work.

Wanda/Pietro: again not seen it for evidence but this should work like Havok and Cyclops I would think.

16. This is my final BONUS question. I always said that the X-Men family was like the “superhero Real World”, now I read that there was a 3some with a Madrox dupe, Siryn, and M. 1- Does Deadpool know of this? 2- Though it was a dupe, when the dupes absorbs back into Madrox, does he get that “sensation”?

Not really a threesome but more of the dupe sleeping with both of them. Jamie (the real one) does know and would feel it after.

Deadpool doesn’t know yet

17. Also relating to the above question, can you 2 guys give the whole rundown on what X-Men members have “hooked up” with their fellow members? This one may take a while!


Oh fun: We’ll go current

Emma/Cyclops
Colossus/Kitty
Iceman/Mystique
Wolfsbane/Rictor
Rachel/Korvus
Havok/Polaris

Wow, that’s way too short of a list. Let’s see if you can get a more inclusive list for next time, huh Jim?

That’s it, and enough! Keep up the great work guys. Thanks a mil….alot, See ya in 7, and Make Mine Marvel.

See you next time Corey

Greg emails

I have one simple question dealing with Wolverine. Is it possible to drown him? I understand his healing factor can keep him alive through most anything, but can it cope with a lack of oxygen? It has been mentioned in the past that Logan has a much heavier weight than a “normal” person of his same size/mass due to the adamantium. Therefore wouldnt treading water for a long period of time be more difficult for him than the same normal person, which could lead to his drowning.

Wolverine can drown. But let‘s say you pulled him out of the water later at some point it‘s quite possible for him to come back from the dead as well.

This is a good question. I’d say drowning, and keeping him submerged for a LONG time is probably the only real way of killing him (or atomizing him). There has to be a point where if he’s been dead for so long he can longer regenerate back to life…

Soak posted

so i am pretty sure this has been covered before, but why is the juggernaut so depowered? i got the the WW hulk:x-men #2 issue this week and was curious as to what was going on there. it showed juggs talking to the cytorrak(sp?) gem and promising to go back to his ass kicking days. also when did he start caring about prof x as a brother? this was als mentioned in that issue.

Allow me to explain

As the result of an undisclosed battle with Cyttorak, his patron deity, Cain lost most of the power of the Juggernaut. Thereafter, Cain reconciled with Xavier and joined the X-Men

Wow. 5 pages of Wolverine expose, and only 2 sentences for poor Juggy?

Beadle posted

Jim,

Tim and Mathan covered the pantheons of gods in their Who’s Who In The DCU column, but how do you rank the various pantheons in the Marvel Universe in terms of significance?

My own take would be something like:

Norse (Asgard): Thor, Loki, Odin, Sif, Balder, Heimdall, Karnilla and the Warriors Three clearly make the Norse Gods the most significant group, followed by….
Greek (Olympus): Hercules, Ares, Zeus, Pluto, Poseidon and the rest have all had a pretty significant role to play in the Marvel Universe.

After those two, I’d say there’s a big jump in significance before you get to:

Egyptian (Heliopolis): Between Set, Osiris, Isis, and Khonshu, they’ve had a pretty big impact, but nothing on the scale of Asgard or Olympus. Next in the list is probably…

Inuit Gods: Mainly only really played a part in Alpha Flight, but what with Shaman and Talisman it’s been a significant one.

As we go on, it probably gets a little fuzzier…

Celtic Gods: Leir, the Lord of Lightning and his colleagues have appeared several times in Thor.

Japanese Gods: As Tim mentioned in WWITDCU, these guys have shown up in Ares and a couple of other times.

Then you get into the Native American and Hindu Gods, and a whole lot of lesser pantheons that have barely been touched (and that I can’t think of at the moment). Wasn’t there a member of the Winter Guard (Perun?) that was an old Russian God?

Anyhoo, what’s your take?

You actually have it lined up pretty well. Allow me to give a good run down

Now of course before I continue with this there’s certain Gods like Thor and Odin who actually have been ranked about the God heads. Thor of course in more then 1 form. Odinforce Thor and Rune Thor. I’ll try to keep this simple as possible

1. Proemial Gods (created by the universe (possibly Eternity (I)) to help maintain the Cosmic Consonance. Each Proemial God is tasked with a different duty, each contributing to the balance. However Diableri eventually managed to corrupt many of them, thus unbalancing the Cosmic Consonance and starting a civil war amongst the Proemial Gods, until the corrupted Gods encountered Galactus, who eventually defeated them.) We recently learned about these guys in Annihilation Heralds

2. Rune Thor (This is Thor with Rune power. Think of him in Avengers Disassembled Thor.)

3. Odin (Fully powered) No explaination needed

4. Elder Gods (Ctthon, Demiurge, Set, Gaea)

5. Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age (Crom, Mitra, Asura)

6. King Thor (This is Thor with Odinforce)

7. The Godheads (Zeus and the various other god heads. This group actually ranks above all the gods other then those listed.)

8 Death Gods (Hela, Pluto and various others. These rank up above the main gods only because they themselves

9. Loki/Ares/Kurse (I could go on with a few others. These beings have proven to be quite powerful and even able to end the Gods)

10. Asgardians (The many various not listed)

11. Dark Gods

12. Walker (monotheistic god of a distant galaxy)

13. Olympian Gods

14. Heliopolitans (Egyptian Gods)

15. Tuatha da Danaan (Celtic Gods)

16 Kami (Japanese Gods)

17. Innua (Eskimo/Inuit Gods)

18. Annunaki (Mesopotamian/Assyrian/Babylonian Gods/Canaanite/Mesopotamian/Philistine/Phoenician/Sumerian Gods)

19. Dievas (Slavic/Russian/Baltic/Latvian/Lithuanian Gods)

20. “Incan” Gods (Incan Peru, Bolivia and Chile and as far east as parts of Brazil)

21. Daevas (Hindu India and Persian Gods

22. Anasazi (Native American Gods)

23. African” Gods

24. “Aboriginal/Australian Gods

25. Kalevalans (Finnish Gods)

26. Kahunas (Oceanic Gods)

27. Coatli (Aztec & Mayan Gods)

28. Mongolian Gods (Mongolian and Siberian gods)

29. Xian (Chinese Gods)

How is that for a ranking?

Initiative update

Avengers Initiative #4: The Baron and Pym leave Pym’s lab as a mystery figure steals some of the Project Achillies. We learn it’s Hardball who gives it to the mystery figure from last issue. Returning back to the base he’s soon woken by Gauntlet with the others. Justice takes Cloud 9 for closure and they find MVP alive. SHIELD gets the Hulk message and activates Achillies. War Machine talks to Tony about the Hulk. Triathlon leads the recruits into battle. A group of heroes stop the looting going on and watch the Iron Man Hulk fight on tv. Gyrich activates his secret group. The Initiative recruits run into the Warbound Crew.

Captain America #28: A man named Merc comments on Cap’s death as Bucky passes by the man and sees a Hellicarrier in the skies. Xavier is brought into talk to Crossbones and gets no where. Sin and her Serpent Squad attack a stock market like area (more likely a SHIELD command center). Fury stays on contact with Falcon who is still trying to stop Bucky with Sharon. We learn Faustus is still using a SHIELD agent to help him pull strings. We see Tony visited by a SHIELD agent who wants to replace Cap but Tony won’t allow it. Tony gets a letter from Cap. Winter Soldier attacks an AIM bunker for info on Red Skull. Sin and her crew take out some SHIRLD agents and take their uniforms to go free Crossbones.

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man # 21: Robbie goes home to inform his family he was fired. Ero continues to try to stuff the egg down Pete’s throat until it’s blown apart by Betty. Ero is also shot afterwards. Ero escapes but Spidey goes after her and the two fight and it leads to Aviey where the birds attack Ero. Pete learns off Betty that Robbie was fired and plans to see JJ.

Order #1: We start with an actor who played Tony talking about his life up to leading the Order. The team itself face Infernal Man (Team: Anthem, Heavy, Calamity, Bannerman Green and Brown, Peirce, Avona, Maul, and Corona) Pepper is shown to be helping the team from another area and Brown is burned to death. Corona attacks Infernal Man until the guys goes Nova. Project 717 arrive to take the defeated Infernal Man. Tony holds a press conference on the Order and the team celebrates. Anthem catches a tv report on the group and Pepper contacts Tony about it. Seems Anthem is paying people to be heroes. 4 members are fired as 4 new ones come in (Mulholland, Milo, Rebecca and Magdalina) and sent to train. Pepper leaves after saying the wrong thing. We watch the group trained and new members introduced (Veda, SuperNaut, Mulholland and one unknown) until Pepper contacts the team to deal with the Super Soviets.

Amazing Spider-Man #542: Kingpin by giving Spidey a speech as Spidey starts fighting Kingpin. While giving Kingpin a beating Pete decides to take off half his uniform and starts beating Kingpin again and defeats him letting him live and be humiliated. The prisoners leave for their cells and Spidey leaves. Pete goes to see May and says it’s over to MJ.

Black Panther #29: Luke Cage zombie attacks as the Skrulls think Black Panther led him to them. Panther tries talking to Luke to distract him to allow both the FF and Skrull FF to attack. Outside the Skrulls fight the zombies and the bug now zombie. The FF go to escape with the head Skrull leaving the Skrull FF to fight Cage. Panther contacts Earth only to contact himself and finding out it’s an alternate universe. The zombies fight among themselves. The FF discuss things as the Skrulls surround them before the ship crashes as Cage tells the zombies of our universe. The Skrull zombie FF attack the ship.

Mighty Avengers #4: Ultron tells the world of it’s plans. Stark Tech 9 contacts the Avengers only to be attacked by Ares thinking it’s a trap. Hank shows up telling everyone he helped build it and it’s not a trap. Stark Tech tells the Avengers how Ultron is using the Stark satellites as both Sentry and Wonder Man go and destroy them. Ultron goes to plan two and shuts down all the power. The Avengers go off to save lives. Ultron goes to Avengers Tower and kills Lindy Reynolds. An Iron Man army confront the Avengers and Sentry goes to find his wife dead. Ultron prepares to arm and use nukes.

Sensational Spider-Man #39: Eddie still delusional attacks and kills a nurse as the other nurses hear a screa, Pete visits May and then joins a group of others in another room as Felicia watches the door. MJ, Anna Watson, and Madame Web hold a seance to contact May’s spirit. Brock goes to May’s room and can’t kill her. Pete’s spider sense alerts him as he goes to May’s room and finds Brock who jumps out the window. Pete saves him and Brock wakes up later still delusional.

Thunderbolts Desperate Measures #1: Norman talks to Robbie about orders and his fight with Gorilla Girl and what happened. Norman then checks his files on the next target. In Houston we see Americop confront a drug dealer and kill him. Norman goes to see Bullsete and tells him about sending the team to capture Americop and other matters. The team heads to Houston without Moonstone who argues with Norman after the matter. Bullseye and Penance work together and confront Americop with him causing them to retreat. Bullseye and Penace wind up in a building where Bullseye triggers Penance powers to take down Americop and Norman has to stop Bullseye from going to far. Norman confronts Penance after and Penance uses his powers to destroy the room.

Back in Black Update

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man # 22: Robbie goes home to inform his family he was fired. Ero continues to try to stuff the egg down Pete’s throat until it’s blown apart by Betty. Ero is also shot afterwards. Ero escapes but Spidey goes after her and the two fight and it leads to Aviey where the birds attack Ero. Pete learns off Betty that Robbie was fired and plans to see JJ.

World War Hulk #2: The New Avengers left (Ronin, Iron Fist, Echo and Strange) watch the battle as Strange tries to work on stopping Hulk. The other heroes prepare to fight Hulk. Jen tries to talk to him only to have a fight start with him and the Warbound crew. They deal with the heroes quite easily. Reed and the FF build a device just before the Warbound Crew arrive. Hulk takes out Torch and Thing in very little time. Reed tries to calm Hulk with the machine which doesn’t do it. The FF are soon defeated and Reed taken out easily. Sue contacts Sentry for help. Rick Jones tries to talk to Hulk only to have Strange attack Hulk’s mind. Hulk leaps away and fights Hercules as SHIELD watches with Thunderbolt Ross in tow.

Amazing Spider-Man #542: Kingpin by giving Spidey a speech as Spidey starts fighting Kingpin. While giving Kingpin a beating Pete decides to take off half his uniform and starts beating Kingpin again and defeats him letting him live and be humiliated. The prisoners leave for their cells and Spidey leaves. Pete goes to see May and says it’s over to MJ.

Sensational Spider-Man #39: Eddie still delusional attacks and kills a nurse as the other nurses hear a screa, Pete visits May and then joins a group of others in another room as Felicia watches the door. MJ, Anna Watson, and Madame Web hold a seance to contact May’s spirit. Brock goes to May’s room and can’t kill her. Pete’s spider sense alerts him as he goes to May’s room and finds Brock who jumps out the window. Pete saves him and Brock wakes up later still delusional.

Annihilation Conquest Update

Quasar #1: Phyla found out her brother was dead off her mother to start the issue. Present: Phyla and Moondragon push on until the Phalanx attack them. Phyla takes on the Phalanx until Super Adaptoid shows up and the two fight until Phyla goes to find Moondragon who with happy to see her. Phyla meets with a Cotati who shows her where to find the one she is looking for. Moondragon and Phyla rest until they are attacked and Phyla hears the voice again.

Starlord #1: Starlord recalls his past with Ship and meeting with Fallen One leading to Fallen One defeating him and Ship’s destruction. Present: The Kree doctors remove all the cybernetics from Starlord and save his life on orders. 4 hours later Starlord meets with Galen Kor and gets taken to a prison holding Bug, Deathcry, Mantis, Captain Universe, Rocket Raccoon and Groot finding out about each. Starlord is given his new uniform much like his original and watches his team train some before they are suited up ready to go.

Endangered Species Update

New X-Men #40: Surge shocks Amanda back to life and ask her for help to free the others but she knows Kurt has the sword. The others are helpless as Magik uses Pixie’s soul to create a new sword. Loa attacks Magik after followed by Rockslide to help. Pixie lives and Magik ask where the original New Mutants are. Belasco interrogates the captured mutants and is attacked by them. Amanda agrees to help Surge and Hellion. Magik tells her story to the New X-Men. Belasco gets up and deals with the captured mutants. Amanda with her powers and the help of a Sentinel teleports herself, Surge and Hellion to Limbo

Beast leaves Wundagore and goes to see Dr Rao and says it’s pointless until she tells him about the samples from her time with the Ord. But they no longer have the X-gene. Beast begins his work as Dr Rao leaves.

X-Men #201: Emma updates us on the fight as the Marauders continue to fight the X-Men. Mystique took out Iceman before he could get to Rogue. Emma uses her powers to force Cannonball to escape and grab Iceman on the way out. The Marauders grab Rogue and leave the scene blowing up the house on the way out with the X-Men still inside. Colossus and Kitty still at Xavier’s discuss what to do next. Blindfold goes to see the New X-Men and touches Elixar. Sunfire attacks Iceman and Cannonball only to have Cannonball fight him. Blindfold is out cold after touching Elixar. Exodus and his crew arrive at Xavier’s after.

Beast goes to Neverland. Earlier: Wolverine tells him everything there is dead. Beast looks threw the records and afterwards runs into his AOA double Dark Beast.

World War Hulk Update

Ghost Rider #13: Ghost Rider tries to talk to Hulk at first only to be attacked and of course starting a fight. Hulk takes the battle to Ghost Rider and defeats him quite easily. Strange and Reed watch this and see Ghost Rider take control and take out a tank knowing that he only protects the innocent and the Illuminati are not innocent

World War Hulk #2: The New Avengers left (Ronin, Iron Fist, Echo and Strange) watch the battle as Strange tries to work on stopping Hulk. The other heroes prepare to fight Hulk. Jen tries to talk to him only to have a fight start with him and the Warbound crew. They deal with the heroes quite easily. Reed and the FF build a device just before the Warbound Crew arrive. Hulk takes out Torch and Thing in very little time. Reed tries to calm Hulk with the machine which doesn’t do it. The FF are soon defeated and Reed taken out easily. Sue contacts Sentry for help. Rick Jones tries to talk to Hulk only to have Strange attack Hulk’s mind. Hulk leaps away and fights Hercules as SHIELD watches with Thunderbolt Ross in tow.

World War Hulk Frontline #2: Ben and Sally drive threw the city at the start. Later Sally watches Cage thrown threw the city causing mass damage. Daredevil arrives saving a childs life and talks to her brother some. Ben is at the Baxter Building as the Hulk takes on and defeats the FF. The power in New York goes out. Story 2: Detective Granville investigates the scene of the crime and meets with Korg who tells him what Arch-E-5912 did last and may be how he died. Story 3: Captain Rectitude is set up by SHIELD to be taken out by Hulk

World War Hulk X-Men #2: Xavier surrenders but the X-Men don’t allow Hulk to take him and a fight starts with Hulk. The Hulk starts taking out the X-Men. The Stepfords contact X-Factor, Excalibur and the Uncanny team for help. Juggernaut powers up as he hears the call. Hulk takes out Colossus until Wolverine starts fighting him and is defeated as well. Juggernaut shows up and gets beaten as well. The others arrive to help stop Hulk

Heroes for Hire #12: Hulks’ ship crashes with the hatchlings and H4H on board. Humbug tells Misty about what’s going on. Miek arrives with Hiriom attacking the group. Hiriom attacks Shang-Chi. Korg and Elloe arrive as well. Humbug sneaks away. Tarantula helps out Shang-Chi as Korg takes out the rest of the H4H. Humbug arrives at the Brood and bows.
Scorpion and Paladin in a warehouse of former villain gear using it to fight each other.

Hulk #108: Hercules tells Hulk that him and the others are there to help him. Miek and Rick Jones watch this and recall their own past meeting the Hulk and times with the Hulk. SHIELD arrives and surrounds Rick only to have Miek show up and take them out. Miek himself battles another bug over why they are there as both Miek and Rick leave after going to help Hulk in different ways.

Iron Man #20: The Hellicarrieris attacked by Hulk who talks to Dugan and tells him to stay out of it before leaving. Dugan meets with Clay and Lindsey who argue over how to handle the Hulk. Dugan still undecided goes into Tony’s office which holds Iron Man armor which Tony activates to talk to Dugan and tell him Hulk is holding him prisoner and that there is a doomsday plan. Leaving Dugan to decide what to do.

I thought it was an enlightening column as always. What did you think Daron?

Yeah, good stuff, though I’m still curious why Wolvie got the full bio treatement and juggy didn’t even get a paragraph…

I had a ton of fun as normal. Hope we get more emails Signing off time.

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